AFOTS - Number of Attempts
01-04-2009, 05:57 PM
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AFOTS - Number of Attempts
Hi everyone, this looks like a great forum.
I just graduated from college in 2008 and had been going through the process of applying to Air Force Officer Training School for a pilot career; having completed the application, I had it submitted earlier last year, but then heard in the middle of the summer that my application was "non selected." This greatly perplexed my recruiting squadron, who gave me a "USAF Officer Programs" hat and other similar things they were so confident in my acceptance. My application did not come back to the recruiters with any reason for non selection; they surmised that perhaps the pilot slots had just filled up, since, they had told me, I was the most promising candidate they'd seen in years.
So I naturally submitted my application again. Thankfully I was able to get a job teaching middle school Latin and Spanish in the meantime. I just heard though in December that my application was "non selected" for the second time.
I also heard from my recruiter (who is new, and gets all of his info through his boss), that apparently I could only submit an application in OTS two times (?!) and that I couldn't apply anymore. I need to get in contact with his boss since she's familiar with all the facts I need at this point.
She also had told me over a year ago that my not having a private pilot's license was a plus, since she had apparently seen applicants without any flying experience accepted over those with PPLs — supposedly because the USAF could train them their way. But everything I'm reading now online says that merely to be competitive civilian OTS applicants ought to have a PPL.
So she through my local recruiter told me that I do have another option: Enlist as an E-3 Airman, serve active duty for a year (probably with flying jobs close to pilots if I so chose), and take advantange of the Tuitition Assistance program to get a PPL while in the Air Force. Then, armed with recommendations from my commanders and from USAF pilots and a PPL, I would greatly improve my chances of entering OTS and UPT thereafter. I also know from other sources as well that half of accepted OTS applicants are AF Enlisted, the other half civilian and ROTC — so enlisting would effectively quadruple my chances, it seems.
However, I've talked about this with my uncles, one a former Navy Chief, the other a retired USAF F-16 pilot, and both agree that going enlisted and getting stuck there is just too risky. My uncle who was in the Air Force mentioned that it should be possible to reapply to the Air Force as a Navigator or some other career, and then transfer into Flight School after that — but that is another risky venture, and even more competitive, I hear; at least, though, I would be an officer.
I want above all to be an Air Force pilot, although Navy and Marines are unexplored options — my heart is really set on the USAF because I would like to start a family with my fiancée in the next couple years or so and the Air Force is superior, from what I hear, to the other two for doing so. What about ANG? Reserves?
I am really in the dark about what options I have before me. I'd very much love to hear about your experiences, as well as other options I might not have thought of yet. What do you think the best course is for me right now? I've already found a great little airport where I'm going to start getting my PPL right away, even though it is so expensive.
Thanks very much in advance!
I just graduated from college in 2008 and had been going through the process of applying to Air Force Officer Training School for a pilot career; having completed the application, I had it submitted earlier last year, but then heard in the middle of the summer that my application was "non selected." This greatly perplexed my recruiting squadron, who gave me a "USAF Officer Programs" hat and other similar things they were so confident in my acceptance. My application did not come back to the recruiters with any reason for non selection; they surmised that perhaps the pilot slots had just filled up, since, they had told me, I was the most promising candidate they'd seen in years.
So I naturally submitted my application again. Thankfully I was able to get a job teaching middle school Latin and Spanish in the meantime. I just heard though in December that my application was "non selected" for the second time.
I also heard from my recruiter (who is new, and gets all of his info through his boss), that apparently I could only submit an application in OTS two times (?!) and that I couldn't apply anymore. I need to get in contact with his boss since she's familiar with all the facts I need at this point.
She also had told me over a year ago that my not having a private pilot's license was a plus, since she had apparently seen applicants without any flying experience accepted over those with PPLs — supposedly because the USAF could train them their way. But everything I'm reading now online says that merely to be competitive civilian OTS applicants ought to have a PPL.
So she through my local recruiter told me that I do have another option: Enlist as an E-3 Airman, serve active duty for a year (probably with flying jobs close to pilots if I so chose), and take advantange of the Tuitition Assistance program to get a PPL while in the Air Force. Then, armed with recommendations from my commanders and from USAF pilots and a PPL, I would greatly improve my chances of entering OTS and UPT thereafter. I also know from other sources as well that half of accepted OTS applicants are AF Enlisted, the other half civilian and ROTC — so enlisting would effectively quadruple my chances, it seems.
However, I've talked about this with my uncles, one a former Navy Chief, the other a retired USAF F-16 pilot, and both agree that going enlisted and getting stuck there is just too risky. My uncle who was in the Air Force mentioned that it should be possible to reapply to the Air Force as a Navigator or some other career, and then transfer into Flight School after that — but that is another risky venture, and even more competitive, I hear; at least, though, I would be an officer.
I want above all to be an Air Force pilot, although Navy and Marines are unexplored options — my heart is really set on the USAF because I would like to start a family with my fiancée in the next couple years or so and the Air Force is superior, from what I hear, to the other two for doing so. What about ANG? Reserves?
I am really in the dark about what options I have before me. I'd very much love to hear about your experiences, as well as other options I might not have thought of yet. What do you think the best course is for me right now? I've already found a great little airport where I'm going to start getting my PPL right away, even though it is so expensive.
Thanks very much in advance!
01-04-2009, 07:18 PM
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Luke:
I don't know anything about OTS -- I was ROTC. However, I can tell you that I wouldn't have ever flown in the USAF had I not said "no" to a couple of people that tried to close doors on me. First it was ROTC and then the doctors at Vance AFB who thought I was dieing and would be "disabled" for the rest of my life.
You need to get a second opinion. Call another recruiter. Go see your local ROTC unit and ask them about any help they might be able to provide. The guard and reserves are an excellent way to serve in the military.
Finally, take a look at yourself. What can you do to improve your resume? Clearly, having a PPL is going to be a plus. Whoever told you that it wasn't is an idiot. Do you have a technical degree or did you study language? How well did you score on the AFOQT? Can you take that again and score higher? What is your physical fitness like? How about your medical condition?
There are probably several reasons why you weren't selected. A pilot slot is highly competitive. However, you need to seek out why and ask if there is a way around it. Otherwise, you're not going to be a pilot.
-Fatty
I don't know anything about OTS -- I was ROTC. However, I can tell you that I wouldn't have ever flown in the USAF had I not said "no" to a couple of people that tried to close doors on me. First it was ROTC and then the doctors at Vance AFB who thought I was dieing and would be "disabled" for the rest of my life.
You need to get a second opinion. Call another recruiter. Go see your local ROTC unit and ask them about any help they might be able to provide. The guard and reserves are an excellent way to serve in the military.
Finally, take a look at yourself. What can you do to improve your resume? Clearly, having a PPL is going to be a plus. Whoever told you that it wasn't is an idiot. Do you have a technical degree or did you study language? How well did you score on the AFOQT? Can you take that again and score higher? What is your physical fitness like? How about your medical condition?
There are probably several reasons why you weren't selected. A pilot slot is highly competitive. However, you need to seek out why and ask if there is a way around it. Otherwise, you're not going to be a pilot.
-Fatty
01-04-2009, 07:54 PM
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First off: recruiters need to get recruits, so of course they want you to enlist! Tell them no way. You want a pilot slot, put pilot, pilot, pilot. Getting into OTS was hard enough for me, but when I was there, I found it was harder as an enlisted guy according to the prior-enlisted dudes in my flight.
The requirement for reapplying is 180 days in between. Not "never". At least in 2004 it was for me. Same for the AFOQT. You might want to retake that if you need higher scores?
Absolutely look into the reserves and guard. They'll hire off the street. I had recruiters tell me I HAD to enlist and I believed them, only to learn at UPT that I was with guys that got hired with no flight time and no prior E time. Oh well.
Have fun with your flight training. It'll help your new AF package. You'll need new LORs and an interview (and maybe whatever else I don't remember). Also comb through you old package, b/c things might be wrong. My GPA was wrongly calculated as well as a few other errors were in there that once corrected, I went back with a much stronger package.
The requirement for reapplying is 180 days in between. Not "never". At least in 2004 it was for me. Same for the AFOQT. You might want to retake that if you need higher scores?
Absolutely look into the reserves and guard. They'll hire off the street. I had recruiters tell me I HAD to enlist and I believed them, only to learn at UPT that I was with guys that got hired with no flight time and no prior E time. Oh well.
Have fun with your flight training. It'll help your new AF package. You'll need new LORs and an interview (and maybe whatever else I don't remember). Also comb through you old package, b/c things might be wrong. My GPA was wrongly calculated as well as a few other errors were in there that once corrected, I went back with a much stronger package.
01-05-2009, 04:41 AM
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If you are bent on Active Duty, did you think about going two year ROTC and picking up another degree or doing a masters program. Sometimes, the two year ROTC program is an easier route than trying to get in through OTS.
Times are going to get interesting in terms of UPT production. We have a shortage when one looks at all the new requirements for pilots to fill cockpits in the growth fields of ISR/UAS/Spec Ops, but we have a new administration who might cut funding to pay for economic stimulus and infrastructure. I can think of no better stimulus than to buy guns, bombs, missiles, planes, and body armour to protect those who defend the freedoms we enjoy. Hopefully the pendulum will swing to the more bodies through UPT side of things.
Good Luck
Times are going to get interesting in terms of UPT production. We have a shortage when one looks at all the new requirements for pilots to fill cockpits in the growth fields of ISR/UAS/Spec Ops, but we have a new administration who might cut funding to pay for economic stimulus and infrastructure. I can think of no better stimulus than to buy guns, bombs, missiles, planes, and body armour to protect those who defend the freedoms we enjoy. Hopefully the pendulum will swing to the more bodies through UPT side of things.
Good Luck
01-05-2009, 05:54 AM
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Luke,
If you want to be an active component USAF pilot. Do not enlist!!!!!!!!!!
First, you need to talk to everyone (USAFR/ANG/Navy /Marines). If nothing else, it provides: 1. Knowledge that serves in many ways. 2. As a comparison. 3. As a potential flying opportunity that pans out.
Your recruiters are not serving you, they are serving themselves. All to common and I have no complaints against recruiters. Tough job they have. They are very nice people whose job is to fill slots with people who are not committed to being a pilot.<g>
IMO, USAF has the appearance of the more stable family life, etc. With the Global War on Terror (GWOT), all pilots are in the wringer. You will be gone alot deployed. It may be a ship or some place on land, but deployed nonetheless. We all share sacrifices and unique joys in our specific services. We also all have some cherry locations and all of us have some real dumps<g>
Plan on getting a dump and you and the future spouse will be prepared or much happier if you don't stay in the dumps to long.<g> Even in the less desirable places you will find the same great people which is the real draw for most of us once in the track. All services have tremendous people and again, recommend you talk to all.
With respect to active or guard/reserve, talk to your F-16 uncle, he will have some strong opinions, also, he may have some current serving buds you can talk about current events. If nearby, talk to some Guard/Reserve pilots and get their inputs on the ground where they serve.
Take comfort in that almost everyone one of us has similiar tales of curves and bends in the road to get to our coveted wings. This knowledge helped me get through my own journey when I went through the challenges of getting into the ranks of a military pilot (Naval Aviator who had orders to UPT cancelled for medical disqualification on pre commissioning physical, an auto accident made USAF doctors say no)
Happy to PM assistance if you need after you get requisite posts.
Lastly, will pull out one of my favorite quotes from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. "
If you want to be an active component USAF pilot. Do not enlist!!!!!!!!!!
First, you need to talk to everyone (USAFR/ANG/Navy /Marines). If nothing else, it provides: 1. Knowledge that serves in many ways. 2. As a comparison. 3. As a potential flying opportunity that pans out.
Your recruiters are not serving you, they are serving themselves. All to common and I have no complaints against recruiters. Tough job they have. They are very nice people whose job is to fill slots with people who are not committed to being a pilot.<g>
IMO, USAF has the appearance of the more stable family life, etc. With the Global War on Terror (GWOT), all pilots are in the wringer. You will be gone alot deployed. It may be a ship or some place on land, but deployed nonetheless. We all share sacrifices and unique joys in our specific services. We also all have some cherry locations and all of us have some real dumps<g>
Plan on getting a dump and you and the future spouse will be prepared or much happier if you don't stay in the dumps to long.<g> Even in the less desirable places you will find the same great people which is the real draw for most of us once in the track. All services have tremendous people and again, recommend you talk to all.
With respect to active or guard/reserve, talk to your F-16 uncle, he will have some strong opinions, also, he may have some current serving buds you can talk about current events. If nearby, talk to some Guard/Reserve pilots and get their inputs on the ground where they serve.
Take comfort in that almost everyone one of us has similiar tales of curves and bends in the road to get to our coveted wings. This knowledge helped me get through my own journey when I went through the challenges of getting into the ranks of a military pilot (Naval Aviator who had orders to UPT cancelled for medical disqualification on pre commissioning physical, an auto accident made USAF doctors say no)
Happy to PM assistance if you need after you get requisite posts.
Lastly, will pull out one of my favorite quotes from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. "
01-05-2009, 07:36 AM
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I have never personally known of anybody getting an off-the-street OTS Pilot Slot without a PPL (I'm sure there are a few)...but OTS also used to be a much larger pipeline until it was cut in half in 2005. 10 years ago you wanted to have a Commercial to be competitive. Prior Enlisted kids do get slots without PPL, but there was no reason to put-off your PPL before applying out of college.
Really, I am blown away that in this day of ultra-limited OTS slots that some one would tell you you were super competitive without a PPL.
However, like everybody is saying keep fighting. It took an extra 2 years and fighting with the Flight Surgeon world to get my medical, so I also had a long road to UPT and it was worth it.
Really, I am blown away that in this day of ultra-limited OTS slots that some one would tell you you were super competitive without a PPL.
However, like everybody is saying keep fighting. It took an extra 2 years and fighting with the Flight Surgeon world to get my medical, so I also had a long road to UPT and it was worth it.
01-05-2009, 11:18 AM
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Fatty, thank you kindly for the information. I'm glad you stuck in there!
You need to get a second opinion. Call another recruiter. Go see your local ROTC unit and ask them about any help they might be able to provide. The guard and reserves are an excellent way to serve in the military.
Is the ANG different from the Air Force Reserves?
My degree is a B.S. in Geological Sciences. Most of the languages are self-taught, but plenty in college too. My scores averaged about 85 in the AFOQT — I don't recall offhand the exact scores anymore (it was almost two years ago now); I could definitely retake it, but that would be the last time. I am in very good shape physically, and already capable of all the basic PT standards. Medical condition is just fine.
Rightly spoken. I've been asking my recruiter and his boss for about a month now and they're getting the runaround from OTS, apparently. You're right about persistence.
You're right about that, KBAR, "pilot, pilot, pilot," just like my uncle said (the ret. AF pilot). That's what he said. "Take it or leave it." And they took it.
I know the AFOQT is only two times. But they _never_ told me that it was only two application attempts to OTS, and I never signed a piece of paper to that effect. I did for the AFOQT. Thanks for the info!
Were you enlisted first then?
Thank you for the advice; I've already contacted my recruiter asking for a copy of the old package, and to meet someone in the squadron capable of helping me improve it.
As for the ANG, how does that process work? Is it a full-time job (I want full-time active duty pilot as a career)? I live in PA and I want to fly jets, preferably fighters, but there aren't any in PA ANG — can I apply to out of state and have good chances?
Tweet, thanks for the response. I think that's a really great idea. How do you find ROTC to be an easier route? I am very interested in getting a masters in Geology, and I want to pick up some kind of engineering too, like aeronautical engineering. I really don't know where to begin looking for these things — any recommendations?
Also, I suppose as a grad student they'll at least pay me something to live on, right? and also for teaching? I'm used to a full-time job right now, and I have a few bills to pay so I will need some income.
But, I suppose in AFROTC they'll pay for my masters degree, right? Whatever info people have on this, I'd love to hear it.
Also: how do I guarantee a flight slot through ROTC?
10-4 on that one, Salty! Only one person so far has told me to do this, and that was the recruiter!
Family can't live on AF Bases when deployed?
I don't know where to begin to find any — any suggestions?
Many thanks, sir, I make take you up on that.
Awesome quote. Thank you for the reminder! it's amazing how a bad word like "non selected" can throw you off your game and get you considering enlisting as an E-3! heh.
I agree! I feel kind of cheated — but that's the past. Now I'm focused on what I need to get flying. Your words and those of everyone else posting here have already been extraordinarily helpful.
Amazing, isn't it. She must just be ignorant of the necessities.
Good for you! I'm reminded of my favorite Winston Churchill quote:
"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Source: Winston Churchill's Never Give In Speech - Succeed by Studying Great Speeches: School for Champions
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
You need to get a second opinion. Call another recruiter. Go see your local ROTC unit and ask them about any help they might be able to provide. The guard and reserves are an excellent way to serve in the military.
Finally, take a look at yourself. What can you do to improve your resume? Clearly, having a PPL is going to be a plus. Whoever told you that it wasn't is an idiot. Do you have a technical degree or did you study language? How well did you score on the AFOQT? Can you take that again and score higher? What is your physical fitness like? How about your medical condition?
There are probably several reasons why you weren't selected. A pilot slot is highly competitive. However, you need to seek out why and ask if there is a way around it. Otherwise, you're not going to be a pilot.
Originally Posted by KBAR
First off: recruiters need to get recruits, so of course they want you to enlist! Tell them no way. You want a pilot slot, put pilot, pilot, pilot. Getting into OTS was hard enough for me, but when I was there, I found it was harder as an enlisted guy according to the prior-enlisted dudes in my flight.
The requirement for reapplying is 180 days in between. Not "never". At least in 2004 it was for me. Same for the AFOQT. You might want to retake that if you need higher scores?
Absolutely look into the reserves and guard. They'll hire off the street. I had recruiters tell me I HAD to enlist and I believed them, only to learn at UPT that I was with guys that got hired with no flight time and no prior E time. Oh well.
Have fun with your flight training. It'll help your new AF package. You'll need new LORs and an interview (and maybe whatever else I don't remember). Also comb through you old package, b/c things might be wrong. My GPA was wrongly calculated as well as a few other errors were in there that once corrected, I went back with a much stronger package.
As for the ANG, how does that process work? Is it a full-time job (I want full-time active duty pilot as a career)? I live in PA and I want to fly jets, preferably fighters, but there aren't any in PA ANG — can I apply to out of state and have good chances?
Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr
If you are bent on Active Duty, did you think about going two year ROTC and picking up another degree or doing a masters program. Sometimes, the two year ROTC program is an easier route than trying to get in through OTS.
Also, I suppose as a grad student they'll at least pay me something to live on, right? and also for teaching? I'm used to a full-time job right now, and I have a few bills to pay so I will need some income.
But, I suppose in AFROTC they'll pay for my masters degree, right? Whatever info people have on this, I'd love to hear it.
Also: how do I guarantee a flight slot through ROTC?
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Luke,
If you want to be an active component USAF pilot. Do not enlist!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to be an active component USAF pilot. Do not enlist!!!!!!!!!!
IMO, USAF has the appearance of the more stable family life, etc. With the Global War on Terror (GWOT), all pilots are in the wringer. You will be gone alot deployed. It may be a ship or some place on land, but deployed nonetheless.
With respect to active or guard/reserve, talk to your F-16 uncle, he will have some strong opinions, also, he may have some current serving buds you can talk about current events. If nearby, talk to some Guard/Reserve pilots and get their inputs on the ground where they serve.
Happy to PM assistance if you need after you get requisite posts.
Lastly, will pull out one of my favorite quotes from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. "
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. "
Originally Posted by blastoff
I have never personally known of anybody getting an off-the-street OTS Pilot Slot without a PPL (I'm sure there are a few)...but OTS also used to be a much larger pipeline until it was cut in half in 2005. 10 years ago you wanted to have a Commercial to be competitive. Prior Enlisted kids do get slots without PPL, but there was no reason to put-off your PPL before applying out of college.
Really, I am blown away that in this day of ultra-limited OTS slots that some one would tell you you were super competitive without a PPL.
However, like everybody is saying keep fighting. It took an extra 2 years and fighting with the Flight Surgeon world to get my medical, so I also had a long road to UPT and it was worth it.
"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Source: Winston Churchill's Never Give In Speech - Succeed by Studying Great Speeches: School for Champions
01-05-2009, 11:59 AM
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LA,
First off - you'll find answers for just about everything you asked on other threads in this forum and on baseops.net's forum.
But, yes you can get hired off the street into the Reserves or the Guard. I'm an example of that. As for guaranteeing a pilot slot via ROTC, the best advice I can give is "don't suck." It's really not difficult to get an 80+ OM score (go to WantsCheck.Com Military Flight Planning and Cadet Resources for info on that). Then pray to sweet baby, infant Jesus that you don't bust your Medical.
I'll tell ya one way to make contacts. These forums. It's nerdy as hell, but I got one interview thanks to a guy I talked to on this forum, and got the POC at my hiring unit from a guy on another forum.
Aside from that - every time I flew commercially I'd check in the cockpit and chat. Chances are, one of the two are former MIL. Airshows are also good. I carried around a bunch of note cards and would talk to any Reserve or Guard guys that were there. Ask for their number/email, whatever. Be sure to follow up.
Finally: Do not give up. Don't let recruiters feed you bull****. 99% of the time, they have no clue what they're talking about. If this is truly something you want to do, you need to do some research. I probably spent 3 hours a day on all of these forums reading. Now that I've been picked up I'm trying to figure out with all this spare time I have now.... It's 5 o'clock somwhere.
Best of luck. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions that couldn't be answered by sifting through the 69000 threads on these forums.
First off - you'll find answers for just about everything you asked on other threads in this forum and on baseops.net's forum.
But, yes you can get hired off the street into the Reserves or the Guard. I'm an example of that. As for guaranteeing a pilot slot via ROTC, the best advice I can give is "don't suck." It's really not difficult to get an 80+ OM score (go to WantsCheck.Com Military Flight Planning and Cadet Resources for info on that). Then pray to sweet baby, infant Jesus that you don't bust your Medical.
I'll tell ya one way to make contacts. These forums. It's nerdy as hell, but I got one interview thanks to a guy I talked to on this forum, and got the POC at my hiring unit from a guy on another forum.
Aside from that - every time I flew commercially I'd check in the cockpit and chat. Chances are, one of the two are former MIL. Airshows are also good. I carried around a bunch of note cards and would talk to any Reserve or Guard guys that were there. Ask for their number/email, whatever. Be sure to follow up.
Finally: Do not give up. Don't let recruiters feed you bull****. 99% of the time, they have no clue what they're talking about. If this is truly something you want to do, you need to do some research. I probably spent 3 hours a day on all of these forums reading. Now that I've been picked up I'm trying to figure out with all this spare time I have now.... It's 5 o'clock somwhere.
Best of luck. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions that couldn't be answered by sifting through the 69000 threads on these forums.
01-05-2009, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeAmadeus
Tweet, thanks for the response. I think that's a really great idea. How do you find ROTC to be an easier route? I am very interested in getting a masters in Geology, and I want to pick up some kind of engineering too, like aeronautical engineering. I really don't know where to begin looking for these things — any recommendations?
Also, I suppose as a grad student they'll at least pay me something to live on, right? and also for teaching? I'm used to a full-time job right now, and I have a few bills to pay so I will need some income.
But, I suppose in AFROTC they'll pay for my masters degree, right? Whatever info people have on this, I'd love to hear it.
Also: how do I guarantee a flight slot through ROTC?
I don't remember enough about the ROTC program to even describe the two year or the four year process here. Your best bet is to go see the ROTC detachment at your closest university. These folks are usually very informative and very soft sale, because ultimately ROTC is an elective at first.
Good luck
01-05-2009, 03:51 PM
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IMO, USAF has the appearance of the more stable family life, etc. With the Global War on Terror (GWOT), all pilots are in the wringer. You will be gone alot deployed. It may be a ship or some place on land, but deployed nonetheless.
Family can't live on AF Bases when deployed?
Luke - he is talking about being deployed to some places that even if possible - you wouldn't want your family living with you!
USMCFLYR
Family can't live on AF Bases when deployed?
Luke - he is talking about being deployed to some places that even if possible - you wouldn't want your family living with you! USMCFLYR
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