USAF voluntary officer recall (including retirees)
11-15-2009, 08:35 AM
#661
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Originally Posted by LKampa
Do I understand correctly, the RRORP is allowing FEB's and waiving the 8 year restriction for pilot positions?
How can I find out who and how many have been allowed this waiver?
Thanks,
Larry
How can I find out who and how many have been allowed this waiver?
Thanks,
Larry
11-15-2009, 08:37 AM
#662
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by LKampa
Do I understand correctly, the RRORP is allowing FEB's and waiving the 8 year restriction for pilot positions?
How can I find out who and how many have been allowed this waiver?
Thanks,
Larry
How can I find out who and how many have been allowed this waiver?
Thanks,
Larry
11-15-2009, 09:56 AM
#663
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 19
Thanks for the information. Still trying to get back into a military cockpit, but my latest response was from the Deputy Director, Force Management Policy at the Pentagon. He basically told me all I could expect was a rated staff position. I told him I had read the manned ISR aircraft positions were still unfilled and I remained a volunteer if the 8 year restriction policy changed. Still not leaving my flying job for a non flying job.
Larry
Larry
11-15-2009, 11:12 AM
#664
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Ret AD, back to AA
Posts: 115
Originally Posted by C17turtle
The real question I have about the Limited Return to Active Duty program deals with just how easy it will be to reach my 20 year AD retirement without significant strife. In my estimation, Retired Return to AD guys don’t have to worry much about in how their program will be administered—you get 2 or 3 year orders and towards the end of them apply if you want for an extra year or longer up to the 48 month limit. If you get it—great. If you don’t, you simply go back into retirement.
For us guys trying to reach an AD retirement, the waters are a little murky. I will start my 3 years of LRAD orders next month as a flyer here at Charleston, but need 5 more months after that for my 20 years of AD. My understanding at the outset of this program was that we could “apply” for sanctuary at the 18 year point and our orders would be extended up to, but not above 48 months, to reach our retirement while keeping the LPRP protections. However, in a recent conversation with the recall ops, they said that the orders part was true but at that point the AF would re-evaluate our assignments and reserve the right to do with us what they willed. In other words, our LPRP program assurances of no PCS and no 1 year remotes are voided--very scary stuff! “CJ” went on to actually tell me that the LPRP program was not created to “help reservists get to sanctuary” to achieve a retirement—I take that to mean that guys like me declare sanctuary at the 18 year point at our own peril.
SO, does anyone out there have any good answers about sanctuary and how it is administered? I’ve read some on it, but cannot find anywhere where it says we must officially “apply” and when it must be done—is it right when you hit 18 years or can you “delay” declaring it until, say, six months before your initial 3 year LRAD orders are complete? I’d like to be able to say, “OK, my original orders are almost up, and oh, by the way, I’m in sanctuary, so please give me my 5 month extension.”
Also do any of you know of a requirement that you must serve for either 2 or 3 years and extend in whole years only? I hope to extend my orders for just 5 months beyond my 3 year commitment.
Thanks.
For us guys trying to reach an AD retirement, the waters are a little murky. I will start my 3 years of LRAD orders next month as a flyer here at Charleston, but need 5 more months after that for my 20 years of AD. My understanding at the outset of this program was that we could “apply” for sanctuary at the 18 year point and our orders would be extended up to, but not above 48 months, to reach our retirement while keeping the LPRP protections. However, in a recent conversation with the recall ops, they said that the orders part was true but at that point the AF would re-evaluate our assignments and reserve the right to do with us what they willed. In other words, our LPRP program assurances of no PCS and no 1 year remotes are voided--very scary stuff! “CJ” went on to actually tell me that the LPRP program was not created to “help reservists get to sanctuary” to achieve a retirement—I take that to mean that guys like me declare sanctuary at the 18 year point at our own peril.
SO, does anyone out there have any good answers about sanctuary and how it is administered? I’ve read some on it, but cannot find anywhere where it says we must officially “apply” and when it must be done—is it right when you hit 18 years or can you “delay” declaring it until, say, six months before your initial 3 year LRAD orders are complete? I’d like to be able to say, “OK, my original orders are almost up, and oh, by the way, I’m in sanctuary, so please give me my 5 month extension.”
Also do any of you know of a requirement that you must serve for either 2 or 3 years and extend in whole years only? I hope to extend my orders for just 5 months beyond my 3 year commitment.
Thanks.
11-15-2009, 12:35 PM
#665
Careful w/that axe Eugene
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: HOTAS...and a SWA gear lever
Posts: 369
C17turtle, I've been in the ANG since 1993 and I can't think of anyone I know off the top of my head that "played the sanctuary card" but I seem to recall that in general it wasn't anything you had to apply for. You simply got it by default if your orders took you into the 18-20 years of AD regime.
I do remember that some buddies of mine from a previous ANG unit had to sign "sanctuary waivers" in order to be placed on various sets of short term orders because they were in the 18-20 year window already (in other words, the unit/ANG was saying you can have 30 days of orders, but you gotta sign this waiver stating you know you won't get to stay on orders until you get 20 good years).
You've probably already seen this:
Sanctuary
I do remember that some buddies of mine from a previous ANG unit had to sign "sanctuary waivers" in order to be placed on various sets of short term orders because they were in the 18-20 year window already (in other words, the unit/ANG was saying you can have 30 days of orders, but you gotta sign this waiver stating you know you won't get to stay on orders until you get 20 good years).
You've probably already seen this:
Sanctuary
11-15-2009, 04:33 PM
#666
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 42
Please apply if interested...
"AFPC said that applications have slowed to a trickle, and since they expect to exceed their original goal of getting 500 flyers back, they don't see a reason to continue it."
Okay, let me get this straight: AFPC says they have a successful ongoing program that has exceeded expectations. People still want to apply and they are going to call it quits, call it a success, and pass out decorations to everone for a job well done!
Well, allow me to enlighten a few folks that can't see the forest for the trees. The huge amount of initial interest was because the people who were genuinely interested immediately applied. After that initial wave crested, despite the plethora of obstacles laid in their path, more folks got the word that such a program existed and started applying for whatever reasons: patriotic, economic, personal, etc. If there is only a trickle now with the numbers applying, there could still be continued interest and even a future wave next year, but by terminating the RRORP this will degrade the learning curve already achieved by public health, Flight Docs, the MTF, etc., not to mention the worker bees at AFPC who have had the thankless task to absorb this additional duty into their normal workload. If applicants are indeed slowing to a trickle, then the workload shouldn't be as great nor the process such an intangible unknown that it could even become, dare I say it, "streamlined".
I don't know if the target number is truly 1600, 1666, or 2,000, but it would be interesting to know what the number of navigators and ABMs not involved in UASs; i.e. not operating UAVs, are. Shortages have been around for many years, long before Secretary Gates authorized this. Unfortunately, unless someone makes the decision at the top, the "promotable" individuals don't seem interested in making waves and must be getting neck strain from looking the other way and ignoring the facts. Kuch is right in that anybody even vaguely interested in applying need to do so now, because if they get in the que they will still be handled next year. My concern will be for those who find out too late and apply after December 31. They will get the door slammed in their face unless the program is revitalized. A simple solution would be to just extend the initial application process to the end of 2010 and see if this so-called trickle remains. My proof is how popular this thread has been. On Google it stands out for the quantity/quality of information found nowhere else.
Okay, let me get this straight: AFPC says they have a successful ongoing program that has exceeded expectations. People still want to apply and they are going to call it quits, call it a success, and pass out decorations to everone for a job well done!
Well, allow me to enlighten a few folks that can't see the forest for the trees. The huge amount of initial interest was because the people who were genuinely interested immediately applied. After that initial wave crested, despite the plethora of obstacles laid in their path, more folks got the word that such a program existed and started applying for whatever reasons: patriotic, economic, personal, etc. If there is only a trickle now with the numbers applying, there could still be continued interest and even a future wave next year, but by terminating the RRORP this will degrade the learning curve already achieved by public health, Flight Docs, the MTF, etc., not to mention the worker bees at AFPC who have had the thankless task to absorb this additional duty into their normal workload. If applicants are indeed slowing to a trickle, then the workload shouldn't be as great nor the process such an intangible unknown that it could even become, dare I say it, "streamlined".
I don't know if the target number is truly 1600, 1666, or 2,000, but it would be interesting to know what the number of navigators and ABMs not involved in UASs; i.e. not operating UAVs, are. Shortages have been around for many years, long before Secretary Gates authorized this. Unfortunately, unless someone makes the decision at the top, the "promotable" individuals don't seem interested in making waves and must be getting neck strain from looking the other way and ignoring the facts. Kuch is right in that anybody even vaguely interested in applying need to do so now, because if they get in the que they will still be handled next year. My concern will be for those who find out too late and apply after December 31. They will get the door slammed in their face unless the program is revitalized. A simple solution would be to just extend the initial application process to the end of 2010 and see if this so-called trickle remains. My proof is how popular this thread has been. On Google it stands out for the quantity/quality of information found nowhere else.
11-15-2009, 11:45 PM
#668
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Program should be extended
I agree with Rimfire and others that the recall program should be extended. My active duty supervisors tell me that the present and future requirement for rated personnel will not be met by current production. In fact, there will be a huge shortfall. So why not extend the program? It baffles me why they would shut it down when it clearly is helping to address the manpower shortage.
Also, I agree that there is some good info on this site. It is very difficult to get info from AFPC. The site has helped quite a bit. My application was submitted in July and I am still waiting at the assignment part of the process. I am glad I am in no hurry. Hopefully, a favorable assignment will be offered soon.
Thanks to all for sharing info with the rest of us.
Also, I agree that there is some good info on this site. It is very difficult to get info from AFPC. The site has helped quite a bit. My application was submitted in July and I am still waiting at the assignment part of the process. I am glad I am in no hurry. Hopefully, a favorable assignment will be offered soon.
Thanks to all for sharing info with the rest of us.
11-16-2009, 07:15 AM
#669
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: B717 CA
Posts: 447
My medical finally got sent up to Randolph after over 4 months of waiting (8 Jul-11 Nov). Don't assume anything with your local MTF or Recall Ops. I hope others will learn from my experience and keep on top of these guys if time is of the essence. I was told multiple times my medical was complete and forwarded only to eventually get ahold of someone at Recall Ops who told me otherwise. Luckily I had time to spare.
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