I know that "other" time is worth nothing in terms of PIC or SIC but should it be included in total fixed wing time or just discarded all together??

Thanks

 

i include everything in total fixed wing time, including passenger time.

 

The USAF adds other time into your total time, so why not? My other time is usually spent in the jumpseat watching other pilots anyway, so it's all training to me. I haven't done many 12-hour+ missions, so I don't have much "bunked-out" time, though, so I feel justified.

Chad

 

It is discarded when dealing with the civilian world.

It is included WITHIN the Air Force.

 

In any Part121 operation it's pretty much useless. I still would include it in my total time but be ready to explain it as I have had to for previous employers. Being on the C-5 for a few years has given me a bunch of "Other" as well. Remember not every 121 carrier is full of ex-military types so if they are looking at your times be ready to explain what it means. In the Herc though I wouldn't think you should have much anyways.

 

I don't include other time in the logbook I keep for commercial employment purposes. I think the only reason why the Air Force counts other time is so the hours count towards your flight pay. Can you imagine grabbing the jump seat home on an airliner and logging that time? Can you learn something sitting in the jump seat? Definitely, but I really wouldn't count that time towards anything. I even know guys trying to log PIC time as right seaters, but that's a whole other story.

 

Do not include "other" time in your applications for employment with civilian carriers. A previous poster said to include it and then be prepared to explain it. Do not do this. You can take your AF products to any interview and most companies accept it at face value. However, when filling out applications, subtract the "other" time. Most companies will tell you to do this anyway.

There is a twist however. Let's say you are an aircraft commander on a C-5 with an augmented crew. You are always the aircraft commander, the PIC. Including when you are out of the seat. But most guys split the flying time. That is knocking out legitimate PIC time from the AC (under Part 1 of the FARs) which FedEx, Southwest and others use. The AF regs more mirror FAR Part 61 (which will cause the true PIC to lose flight time when logging "other")

 

Most of the majors I have looked at specifically say do not include other time. The regionals and fractionals I have looked at have not mentioned it but in the application ask for break-outs of PIC, SIC and student so it will be obvious if the total time is greater than the parts and generate questions. For what its worth I don't include it at all in my resumes and not in the applications unless there were a way that it would make sense. Remember that most of the majors let you add an adjustment figure such as .2 or .3 per sortie. This is where an electronic logbook that will do those adjustments in a report really pays off. I have also seen companies tell military pilots to just multiply their total time by 120%. Make sure you read the instructions. My philosophy is that its better to explain why your reported time is lower than the total in your USAF records than look like you are padding your times and bringing a possible integrity question up.