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Old 12-13-2009, 09:11 PM
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LiveLeak.com - FAA releases radar video of F-16's close call with GA aircraft

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Old 12-13-2009, 09:17 PM
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Don't fly through hot MOAs...simple.
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Year and a half old thread being resurrected. Don't feed it.

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Don't fly through hot MOAs...simple.
Not in certain parts of the country.
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I would think flying through any MOA regardless of location without knowing the who/what/where/when about the MOA is asking for trouble.
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I would think flying through any MOA regardless of location without knowing the who/what/where/when about the MOA is asking for trouble.
True statement. However...it's still legal. Flying formation with another aircraft without prior arrangement is an FAR violation, and presumably frowned upon by the DoD also.

Exception would be an intercept of course, but conducting an unauthorized DITY intercept of a civilian airplane in this day-and-age is an obvious no-no. The pilot probably thought he was getting a real intercept, no wonder the viper guy got spanked.
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Not in certain parts of the country.
Sure it is. Most just don't want to take the extra time to go around them. I was guilty of it too before I flew in them for the military. It's not smart. Most civilians think "they(fighters) have radar, they can see me" not true. Fly through the middle of a BFM engagement or LFE and it may be the last thing you ever do.
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Originally Posted by Slice View Post
Sure it is. Most just don't want to take the extra time to go around them. I was guilty of it too before I flew in them for the military. It's not smart. Most civilians think "they(fighters) have radar, they can see me" not true. Fly through the middle of a BFM engagement or LFE and it may be the last thing you ever do.
Hypothetically, what if you're IFR and center doesn't vector you around the MOA or tell you to remain clear? The two aircraft were a Pilatus PC-12 and a Beechcraft Premier . . . I think it's a pretty safe guess that neither of these airplanes was operating under VFR. You've obviously been around longer, but I'd think it would be more complicated than "avoid hot MOAs."
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Originally Posted by Planespotta View Post
Hypothetically, what if you're IFR and center doesn't vector you around the MOA or tell you to remain clear? The two aircraft were a Pilatus PC-12 and a Beechcraft Premier . . . I think it's a pretty safe guess that neither of these airplanes was operating under VFR. You've obviously been around longer, but I'd think it would be more complicated than "avoid hot MOAs."
MOA's exist primarily to separate IFR traffic from military training. ATC will not send IFR traffic into a hot MOA without coordinating with the controlling agency.

In this case it's safe to assume that either those planes were VFR or ATC screwed up. I suspect the former.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
True statement. However...it's still legal.
Sure it's legal, but not very smart! Should we trade paint, I have a nice little rocket seat and a parachute to get me down safely, enjoy spinning to your death.

Flying formation with another aircraft without prior arrangement is an FAR violation, and presumably frowned upon by the DoD also.
He never came within 500 feet of those aircraft. Which is defined as well clear, even by the FAA, so no formation was even flown.

The pilot probably thought he was getting a real intercept, no wonder the viper guy got spanked.
Spanked bad i'm sure....Capt bag o'nuts, bad...don't do that again!
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