In my experience, when a unit or commander (deployed or not) decide to violate the JFTR, you are screwed. It takes a lawyer to figure out what you qualify for or are entitled too and to determine who is right. Which means, when you decide to push-to-test, you'll look like a problem child to your command leadership which does wonders for your performance reports. Either way, you get screwed.

 

Travel lodging is covered in JFTR, but for permanent housing there are also standards, it's a DoD thing not just navy. If they put you in base housing for example, you get so much square footage and amenities based on rank.

 

The USAF has standards, I just don't know where they're published. Which is why, when doing the Yuma-Cherry Point JAATT, we never stayed on base because the quarters there were considered "sub-standard" in the eyes of the USAF.

 

Here are USAF standards. Much better than Navy.
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share.../AFI34-246.pdf
Navy folks: CNIC is the headshead. They publish very little. They have waiver letters on almost everything they do write down. Reason USAF will stay in town and Navy must stay in quarters deemed unacceptable to USAF.
Will try to get the written policy shortly, like I said a PITA to dig up via the regional commanders and CNIC.

 

NRSW is not abiding by any regulation when giving out Navy housing on base - at least not at NAS Lemoore. They are mix and match up there and with more and more becoming PPV you will see more of it.

In the past I had heard that there was an instruction, and I know that the AF had used it, which put into writing how much square footage each rank was afforded.

MCAS Yuma (and the old MCAS El Toro) had some of the worse officer accommodations that I had seen at any base. In Osan, my squadron was billeted in barracks that the AF had deemed unsat (directly across from the Exchange for those that have been there). They were some of the nicest rooms we stayed in anywhere in Korea. Finally, the Canadian AF came to MCAS Beaufort for a training exercise one time on our dime. We were going to put them up in the same barracks that our Marines lived in. They did a quick sweep and informed me that those rooms would not do. I told them that we didn't have the funds for rooms out in town and there were no other opening on base. They said no problem and made one quick call and had their own funding and enjoyed two weeks at the Holiday Inn

USMCFLYR

 

You couldn't be further from the truth my friend. As a GS when I travel I stay in a Marriott or Courtyard Mariott at the Gov't rate, as a SELRES I stay in a 2BR/3BR house in El Centro or the Fly Navy in KW none of which I share a room with except the roaches or lizards. I still find it humorous that one would complain about spending a drill weekend sharing a room if that was what they were directed to do. Again it's a matter of opinion.

 

Just poking fun. The point of this thread is to find what and where are the regulations, not to debate the validity of a grievance.

I'm sure you would agree that making people double up costs political capital. In the old days we used to say that things like this will affect retention. As reservists the lodging situation is part of our compensation. If we don't like it we can always quit. For me, it's not a factor because I don't need lodging for DWE. I have always been curious what is in the regulations, and this just sparked my interest to do some research.

When you say you find it humorous, I take it to mean that you think it's not a valid grievance and I shouldn't complain about it. I am a tiny bit offended by that. I am sure there are things that you complain about that I might think is humorous, but that doesn't make your grievance any less valid. Do you get my point? Next time they try to save a buck or two, it might be for something you don't find so humorous.

Things won't change unless issues are voiced. Then again, if you don't complain and don't make any changes you might make O-6! Will you get your own room then?

 

That depends on who you are dealing with.
El Centro tried once to double up a Colonel with a CDR (the squadron Commanding Officer).
I was the XO of the squadron at the time.
I told the CBQ lady that she would have to find a single room for both or I would be talking to the Base XO.
All of this consolidation and PPV, as I have mentioned earlier, is going to far. IMO.

USMCFLYR

 

What's "PPV?"

 

PPV = Private/Public Venture.

In much (if not most) of the USN/USMC at least - there is no more **base housing**.

Private companies (Lincoln Housing in NAS Lemoore for example) have come in, torn down on the vintage housing and built region specific style of housing. this company then basically becomes your LANDLORD - not the base. The gov't then pays the company whatever you would get in BAH for living out in town.

the housing is usually fair to decent in condition and curb side appeal. The craftsmanship is probably what you would expect from the lowest bidder type of construction company. I had no complaints, but I've heard people that know much more than I gripe someone about the quality. Personally I think the maintenance is better from the PPV folks than from the old Public Works. There are sometimes some problems between the bases and the companies because in some legal ways the base CO doesn't have as much control over the housing areas as s/he has had in the past. In other words - there is a thrid party involved in anything having to do with housing. Also - something that they are trying to get going is to have regualr *joe schmo*civilians living in units not assigned to active duty military.

Bascially the military wants out of the **housing business**. If you are living in PPV housing - you are living in a property managed by a civilian corporation (no different than any apartment complex) who is partnered with the military in a financial sense.

Have the AF bases gone to this type of set-up housing yet? Anyone?

USMCFLYR