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Old 04-12-2011 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Did you know TM in the U-2 community?
Uh................ No.

Mr Martins actual flying experience could not be further from that of a U-2 driver. His fabricated experience, however, would probably make a Space shuttle commander jealous ......
Old 08-29-2011 | 04:25 AM
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Is there some place to find out if someone was a Navy F4 driver in Vietnam?
A friend of mine (a Vietnam Navy Senior Chief) has doubts about a guy at the airport.
Old 08-29-2011 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by roughair
Is there some place to find out if someone was a Navy F4 driver in Vietnam?
A friend of mine (a Vietnam Navy Senior Chief) has doubts about a guy at the airport.
You could always ask Tim Martins - I'm pretty sure he flew Phantoms in 'Nam.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!
Old 08-30-2011 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by roughair
Is there some place to find out if someone was a Navy F4 driver in Vietnam?
A friend of mine (a Vietnam Navy Senior Chief) has doubts about a guy at the airport.
1. Ask if he remembers the name of the unofficial "mascot" of the F-4. (Answer: "L'il Spook," a kind of Mad-Magazine 'Spy-vs-Spy" looking guy). http://topflightimaging.com/modeling/gunfighter.html

2. Ask if he remembers the Boldface (Memory Items) for Emergency Ground Egress (this is Air Force; I assume Navy was the same):

Lower Guard-UP
Shoulder Harness-RELEASE
Inside Handle-ROTATE AFT
Outside Handle-LOCK UP

3. Ask how the canopy was raised or lowered (Answer: stored pneumatic pressure, from a pump driven by the hyraulic system).

4. Ask how the throttles were put into afterburner (Answer: have to go outboard first, then forward; often awkward if jammed against the mil-stop, and there was a 'dent' there).

5. Ask how much altitude was lost in a spin: 15,000 ft, if you recovered.
Old 08-31-2011 | 05:08 AM
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Is there some place to find out if someone was a Navy F4 driver in Vietnam?
A friend of mine (a Vietnam Navy Senior Chief) has doubts about a guy at the airport.
Sadly, that happens all too often. I met a guy at an airport in Florida -- said he was an F-4 pilot in the Air Force, so I asked him where he went to UPT (not because I doubted him, I was just interested). Dude said he couldn't remember the name of the base ..... so I started doubting at that point.
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Sadly, that happens all too often. so I asked him where he went to UPT
This question has weeded out the posers for me several times. I ask mainly because I love hearing stories from UPT/Primary. The USAF types almost always smile and spout off their class number when I ask. Not a guarantee that the ones who reply, "I don't know....that was a long time ago" are phonies but it does raise the antennas a bit.

Sounds like UPT classes went from year and letter to year and class number sometime in the 60's. Also seems that being a FAIP at Williams was one of the best jobs a 24 year old could ever ask for.
Old 08-31-2011 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Sadly, that happens all too often. I met a guy at an airport in Florida -- said he was an F-4 pilot in the Air Force, so I asked him where he went to UPT (not because I doubted him, I was just interested). Dude said he couldn't remember the name of the base ..... so I started doubting at that point.
Maybe it was Webb AFB, and he had prudently suppressed all memory of Big Spring.
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Originally Posted by propfails2FX
This question has weeded out the posers for me several times. I ask mainly because I love hearing stories from UPT/Primary. The USAF types almost always smile and spout off their class number when I ask. Not a guarantee that the ones who reply, "I don't know....that was a long time ago" are phonies but it does raise the antennas a bit.

Sounds like UPT classes went from year and letter to year and class number sometime in the 60's. Also seems that being a FAIP at Williams was one of the best jobs a 24 year old could ever ask for.
I agree. My antenna would raie to full mast if a guy told me he couldn't remember where he went to training unless that guy was REALLY old and was having trouble remembering his own name , otherwise - you just don't forget something like that!

My old college roommate spent 5 years as a T-38 FAIP at Williams. Ended up in C-141s in Charelston, but I was unable to meet him again, but I have no doubt that he would have enjoyed his time there from the reactions of most that I tell that story too.

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Hard to believe that anyone who went through military flight school could forget when/where. Heck, I even remember the course rules for Corpus and South Whiting.
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
Hard to believe that anyone who went through military flight school could forget when/where. Heck, I even remember the course rules for Corpus and South Whiting.
I recently flew around NAS Corpus for the first time in a VERY long time and I still remembered the course rules heading southeast and even some of the landmarks for dividing up the working areas!
As for North or South Whiting - remembering them after so long would be quite the feat since it seems many barely learned them to begin with (meaning that I *heard* they were quite complicated)

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