Pensacola T-39 down
04-12-2010, 04:39 PM
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Pensacola T-39 down
Initial reports are three that are no longer with us. Sad news, it's already a bad year and we're not even though April.
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04-12-2010, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Riddler
Sorry to hear the bad news.
Just curious - what does the Navy do with its T-39s? I thought they were all retired by now.
Just curious - what does the Navy do with its T-39s? I thought they were all retired by now.
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04-12-2010, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Riddler
Just curious - what does the Navy do with its T-39s? I thought they were all retired by now.
From here: https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt86/a_sabreliner.asp
Description: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twin-jet trainer.
Mission: Train Navy and Marine Corps flight officers.
Features: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twinjet aircraft. The 15 T-39Ns, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-40, are used for training undergraduate military flight officer students in radar navigation and airborne radar-intercept procedures. These aircraft replaced Cessna T-47As during the early 1990s. The eight T 39Gs, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-60, are used for student non-radar training. These aircraft began replacing Air Force T-1A Jayhawks in Navy training squadrons in mid-1999.
General Characteristics:
- Primary Function: Training platform for Navy/Marine Corps flight officers
- Contractor: North American Rockwell
- Propulsion: two Pratt & Whitney J-60-P-3 at 3,000 pounds thrust each
- Wingspan: 44 feet 6 inches (13.56 meters)
- Length: 44 feet (13.41 meters)
- Height: 16 feet (4.88 meters)
- Weight: maximum takeoff, 18,650 pounds (8,460 kg)
- Speed: 434 knots (499.44 miles per hour; 803.77 km per hour)
- Ceiling: 42,000 feet (12,802 meters)
- Range: 1,476 nautical miles (1,699 statute miles; 2,734 km)
- Armament: None
- Crew: T-39N - 6; T-39G - 8
04-12-2010, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
What's up with the squadron out in ROW (Roswell)? How in the hell would wanna be stationed there?
04-15-2010, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyBoyd
From here: https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt86/a_sabreliner.asp
Description: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twin-jet trainer.
Mission: Train Navy and Marine Corps flight officers.
Features: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twinjet aircraft. The 15 T-39Ns, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-40, are used for training undergraduate military flight officer students in radar navigation and airborne radar-intercept procedures. These aircraft replaced Cessna T-47As during the early 1990s. The eight T 39Gs, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-60, are used for student non-radar training. These aircraft began replacing Air Force T-1A Jayhawks in Navy training squadrons in mid-1999.
General Characteristics:
Description: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twin-jet trainer.
Mission: Train Navy and Marine Corps flight officers.
Features: The T-39 Sabreliner is a multipurpose low-wing, twinjet aircraft. The 15 T-39Ns, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-40, are used for training undergraduate military flight officer students in radar navigation and airborne radar-intercept procedures. These aircraft replaced Cessna T-47As during the early 1990s. The eight T 39Gs, derivatives of the commercial Sabre model 265-60, are used for student non-radar training. These aircraft began replacing Air Force T-1A Jayhawks in Navy training squadrons in mid-1999.
General Characteristics:
- Primary Function: Training platform for Navy/Marine Corps flight officers
- Contractor: North American Rockwell
- Propulsion: two Pratt & Whitney J-60-P-3 at 3,000 pounds thrust each
- Wingspan: 44 feet 6 inches (13.56 meters)
- Length: 44 feet (13.41 meters)
- Height: 16 feet (4.88 meters)
- Weight: maximum takeoff, 18,650 pounds (8,460 kg)
- Speed: 434 knots (499.44 miles per hour; 803.77 km per hour)
- Ceiling: 42,000 feet (12,802 meters)
- Range: 1,476 nautical miles (1,699 statute miles; 2,734 km)
- Armament: None
- Crew: T-39N - 6; T-39G - 8
04-15-2010, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GasPasser
Pardon my ignorance, but why would they replace the relatively modern T-1 (late 90's era) with the 1960's era T-39?
They went from T-39 Sabreliners to the T-47A (Model 552 says Wiki) Platypus and then back to the T-39s again.
From Wiki:
T-47
Cessna T-47A trainer of the US Navy's TRAWING 6 at Nellis AFB, Nevada, in May 1987
The Model 552 T-47A was the designation given by the U.S. Navy to the Citation II. Fifteen aircraft were purchased by the Navy to train Naval Flight Officers, primarily its Navy F-14 Tomcat Radar Intercept Officers, Navy and Marine Corps A-6 Intruder Bombardier/Navigators, Navy and Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler Electronic Warfare Officers, Marine Corps F/A-18D Hornet Weapon Systems Officers and Navy S-3 Viking Copilot/Tactical Coordinators. The T-47A was modified by incorporating JT15D5 engines, shortened wings, multiple radar consoles and the AN/APQ-159 radar system from the F-14.[4]
The T-47As were operated by Training Air Wing SIX, which was based at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida. All but one of the T-47As were destroyed in a hangar fire, and the Navy replaced them with upgraded T-39s[5] Another version of the Model 552 was the OT-47B "Tracker", five of which were purchased by the Department of Defense for use in drug interdiction reconnaissance operations, based at Maxwell Air Force Base. The OT-47B utilized the F-16's APG-66(V) fire control radar system and the WF-360TL imaging system.[6]
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Cessna T-47A trainer of the US Navy's TRAWING 6 at Nellis AFB, Nevada, in May 1987
The Model 552 T-47A was the designation given by the U.S. Navy to the Citation II. Fifteen aircraft were purchased by the Navy to train Naval Flight Officers, primarily its Navy F-14 Tomcat Radar Intercept Officers, Navy and Marine Corps A-6 Intruder Bombardier/Navigators, Navy and Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler Electronic Warfare Officers, Marine Corps F/A-18D Hornet Weapon Systems Officers and Navy S-3 Viking Copilot/Tactical Coordinators. The T-47A was modified by incorporating JT15D5 engines, shortened wings, multiple radar consoles and the AN/APQ-159 radar system from the F-14.[4]
The T-47As were operated by Training Air Wing SIX, which was based at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida. All but one of the T-47As were destroyed in a hangar fire, and the Navy replaced them with upgraded T-39s[5] Another version of the Model 552 was the OT-47B "Tracker", five of which were purchased by the Department of Defense for use in drug interdiction reconnaissance operations, based at Maxwell Air Force Base. The OT-47B utilized the F-16's APG-66(V) fire control radar system and the WF-360TL imaging system.[6]
The T-39s are now being phased out and are going to be replaced with the T-1s is how I understand it from some of their pilots. My last contact with the pilots said that they didn't know anything about the cause either.
From Wiki again about the Jayhawk:
The T-1A Jayhawk is a medium-range, twin-engine jet trainer used in the advanced phase of USAF Specialized Undergraduate Pilot Training for students selected to fly strategic/tactical airlift or tanker aircraft. It is used also for training Air Force Navigators and Naval Flight Officers in low level flight procedures during the Intermediate Jet phase of training. It replaced the T-39 Sabreliner in the Intermediate phase of NFO training.
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