Would Like Opinion on UPT Slot.
05-05-2010, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mustangcbra
3 of my LOR's are from past professors, one of which is the chair of the Aviation Department at WMU and a retired British Air Force officer that flew Tornados.
I would not call a 3.4 GPA in my degree lackluster, especially while working 2 jobs to pay for food and attaining my flight raitings through Commercial-Multi at the same time (not included in the degree credit program).
I would not call a 3.4 GPA in my degree lackluster, especially while working 2 jobs to pay for food and attaining my flight raitings through Commercial-Multi at the same time (not included in the degree credit program).
If you had a 3.99 in aerospace engineering, and finished in 4 years, that would be impressive in and of itself. A 3.4 in a generic aviation degree not so much.
You are not applying for a regional, you will be competing with some serious applicants.
05-05-2010, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you go back and read my post, my point was that you will want something more going for you. Being a mature adult and paying your own way certainly counts for something.
If you had a 3.99 in aerospace engineering, and finished in 4 years, that would be impressive in and of itself. A 3.4 in a generic aviation degree not so much.
You are not applying for a regional, you will be competing with some serious applicants.
If you had a 3.99 in aerospace engineering, and finished in 4 years, that would be impressive in and of itself. A 3.4 in a generic aviation degree not so much.
You are not applying for a regional, you will be competing with some serious applicants.
05-05-2010, 09:43 AM
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Sputnik if you do not have anything constructive to say regarding this post than I would appreciate you not posting at all.
As I said above in the same post that you read about the study materials the scores fall on my shoulders alone. Regardless of the quality of the study materials they are my scores and reflect my knowledge basis.
I take full responsibility for these scores and do not make excuses for sections that I may have done poorly on.
As I said above in the same post that you read about the study materials the scores fall on my shoulders alone. Regardless of the quality of the study materials they are my scores and reflect my knowledge basis.
I take full responsibility for these scores and do not make excuses for sections that I may have done poorly on.
05-05-2010, 11:21 AM
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Appreciate you willingness to serve. 
Your scores are competitive.
SEE the averages for "guard" at:
Average AFOQT Scores, PCSM Scores, GPA and Other Statistics for UPT Selectees
Your scores are competitive.
SEE the averages for "guard" at:
Average AFOQT Scores, PCSM Scores, GPA and Other Statistics for UPT Selectees
05-05-2010, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blastoff
There are units everywhere, and this guy would be at the top of the stack at some of them. Lay off him. The Aviation Degree bashing is starting to hit an extreme. I think the "lackluster" comment was out of line. Good GPA, extra-curriculars would be nice...but 3.4 is not lackluster, and he responded appropriately.
My GPA was much, much worse, I'm not bashing I'm trying portray the thought process that people on the board might have...odds are they were textbook overachievers and view things through their own paradigm.
A guard unit is much more likely to take whole-person intangibles into account, such as he's a great guy, worked hard to put himself through school.
The AD components look more at the easily quantifiable metrics...the point was to make sure he documents the kinds of things which might help.
He is a middle-of-the-road applicant as things stand...his odds depend on needs of the service the day he applies
05-05-2010, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Lighten up.
My GPA was much, much worse, I'm not bashing I'm trying portray the thought process that people on the board might have...odds are they were textbook overachievers and view things through their own paradigm.
A guard unit is much more likely to take whole-person intangibles into account, such as he's a great guy, worked hard to put himself through school.
The AD components look more at the easily quantifiable metrics...the point was to make sure he documents the kinds of things which might help.
He is a middle-of-the-road applicant as things stand...his odds depend on needs of the service the day he applies
My GPA was much, much worse, I'm not bashing I'm trying portray the thought process that people on the board might have...odds are they were textbook overachievers and view things through their own paradigm.
A guard unit is much more likely to take whole-person intangibles into account, such as he's a great guy, worked hard to put himself through school.
The AD components look more at the easily quantifiable metrics...the point was to make sure he documents the kinds of things which might help.
He is a middle-of-the-road applicant as things stand...his odds depend on needs of the service the day he applies
I see what you're saying, which wasn't so egregious as the response by Sputnik piling it on. We see a lot of these threads and at least this time its a guy who actually might be competitive.
05-05-2010, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I got a spot with <3.0 GPA. I'm proof that a low GPA doesn't necessarily mean crap. You could be a 4.0 student but if the squadron can't stand to hang out with you, then your toast.
Personally I would rather take the 3.4 student that work 2 jobs and had to pay his own way thru school than the 4.0 student that did no work, but school and had mom and dad pay for everything. The time management skills of balancing jobs and school will pay big dividends in UPT. Now there are those who do work and get a 4.0, good on them, if they are a good dude, I would love to have them in the squadron. But I know that that is not always the case and can cut the dude some slack.
Goodluck
Personally I would rather take the 3.4 student that work 2 jobs and had to pay his own way thru school than the 4.0 student that did no work, but school and had mom and dad pay for everything. The time management skills of balancing jobs and school will pay big dividends in UPT. Now there are those who do work and get a 4.0, good on them, if they are a good dude, I would love to have them in the squadron. But I know that that is not always the case and can cut the dude some slack.
Goodluck
Between the two - I'd pick the person who seemed to be the best fit for my organization based on an OVERALL evaluation and interview.
All of this will come out in the interview and actually getting to know the person that you are looking at hiring rather than looking at numbers on a piece of paper.
It is like you said at the end of your post:
"...if they are a good dude, I would love to have them in the squadron."
05-05-2010, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustangcbra
Hey guys and gals thought I would post my stats and see what your thoughts were on my chances.
Slot Type Desired- Guard
Degree- Aviation Science and Administration / Western Michigan University
GPA 3.39 overall
Flight Ratings- Private, Instrument, Commercial multi-engine and single eingine
Flight time- 220 hours
PCSM score- 98
AFOQT
Pilot-79
Nav-43
Academic-58
Verbal-81
Quatitative-37
Letters of Reccomendation - Army/ Pentagon Command Sgt Major,Air Force Reserve 1Sgt., Army Reserve Sgt., Chair of WMU Aviation department, numerous other teachers and employers.
Althought I feel like my AFOQT scores are low I think that the rest of my qualifications are pretty competitive. I have already submitted my packet to a local Guard unit to fly the C-130 and am now waiting to hear back on an interview date.
Based on this information would you say that I am a competitive candidate for a UPT slot (I know that some of the variables depend on the unit but I'm looking for your opinion on just my scores)? If anyone reading this has experience in Bombers or the AC-130 please feel free to post your opinion on my chances on getting an attack or bomber track slot as well.
Thanks for the help!
Slot Type Desired- Guard
Degree- Aviation Science and Administration / Western Michigan University
GPA 3.39 overall
Flight Ratings- Private, Instrument, Commercial multi-engine and single eingine
Flight time- 220 hours
PCSM score- 98
AFOQT
Pilot-79
Nav-43
Academic-58
Verbal-81
Quatitative-37
Letters of Reccomendation - Army/ Pentagon Command Sgt Major,Air Force Reserve 1Sgt., Army Reserve Sgt., Chair of WMU Aviation department, numerous other teachers and employers.
Althought I feel like my AFOQT scores are low I think that the rest of my qualifications are pretty competitive. I have already submitted my packet to a local Guard unit to fly the C-130 and am now waiting to hear back on an interview date.
Based on this information would you say that I am a competitive candidate for a UPT slot (I know that some of the variables depend on the unit but I'm looking for your opinion on just my scores)? If anyone reading this has experience in Bombers or the AC-130 please feel free to post your opinion on my chances on getting an attack or bomber track slot as well.
Thanks for the help!
05-05-2010, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustangcbra
Sputnik if you do not have anything constructive to say regarding this post than I would appreciate you not posting at all.
As I said above in the same post that you read about the study materials the scores fall on my shoulders alone. Regardless of the quality of the study materials they are my scores and reflect my knowledge basis.
I take full responsibility for these scores and do not make excuses for sections that I may have done poorly on.
As I said above in the same post that you read about the study materials the scores fall on my shoulders alone. Regardless of the quality of the study materials they are my scores and reflect my knowledge basis.
I take full responsibility for these scores and do not make excuses for sections that I may have done poorly on.
P.S. There are no guard/reserve AC-130 units.
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