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#31
There are some advantages to flying with the army. They do offer flight school to those with associates degrees. Granted the chances are slim of getting a fixed wing slot before you have been flying 10 years or so. However, the flying is enjoyable and completely different than fixed wing. Everyone has their preferences but I enjoy it much more than fixed wing as you are more involved in the act of flight. The probability of getting a job that actually pays a living wage out of the military is much better for rotary wing guys. 1500 hour guys in the EMS community pull in about 65k in my hometown. And I live in a low cost of living area. Schedule is 7 days on 7 days off with no hotels as you are home after your shift. Go to any of the EMS operators webpages and they are truly short of pilots. For example, one operator has 50+ openings right now. I'm not a recruiter for anyone just letting the young guy know there are other options other than AF, NAVY, USMC, and CG. If your heart is set on fixed wing I would push you away from the Army. If your heart is to get air under your butt, it is another option.
You are MUCH more likely to fly helos in at least the USMC and USCG than you are fixed wing.
#32
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Yep, i do understand that. The point I was hoping to get across is the Army is generally rotary wing until you reach senior warrant status. The chances are nearly zero for a junior warrant. The other point i tried to articulate is the Army uses the warrant officer for pilots so a high school diploma or associates degree maybe sufficient to get a flight slot as opposed to obtaining a O-1 slot in the other services. At least in the other services fixed wing is a semi-realistic opportunity for a young guy. I was also trying to point out the 135 possibilities in the rotary wing world. Unlike the airplane world there truly is a pilots shortage today.
#34
Yep, i do understand that. The point I was hoping to get across is the Army is generally rotary wing until you reach senior warrant status. The chances are nearly zero for a junior warrant. The other point i tried to articulate is the Army uses the warrant officer for pilots so a high school diploma or associates degree maybe sufficient to get a flight slot as opposed to obtaining a O-1 slot in the other services. At least in the other services fixed wing is a semi-realistic opportunity for a young guy. I was also trying to point out the 135 possibilities in the rotary wing world. Unlike the airplane world there truly is a pilots shortage today.
It is good to hear that opportunities exist for helo pilots out of the military. Many years ago when I asked a similar question about post-service flying jobs I was basically told (just advice from a few - nothing statistical) that helo jobs were hard to find for exactly your previous point - the market was flooded with ex/former military pilots.
#35
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First, just like civilian job offers, go with the first one to hire you in a guaranteed fixed wing pilot slot. You'll probably look back and think you chose the right service at the end of your career no matter which one you choose.
Second, I don't think you said it here, but chances are you want to leave yourself a chance at an airline job at the end of your active service, whether that's at two years (end of flight school in the ANG), eight years (end of obligated service, or whatever that is now) or 20+ years with a full retirement. Even if you don't think you want an airline job in the end... leave yourself the option. As cool as I think flying a helo would be (I still don't understand how they work), it's still a more difficult path to go rotary to airline than from fixed wing. What does that mean? All else being equal, give yourself the best chance of fixed wing. ANG is obviously first, AF probably second (how many are getting drones?), Navy third, though with a shrinking land based patrol plane fleet their percentage of helo slots is probably rising, Marines (more helos than fixed wing), Army (overwhelmingly rotary wing) and Coast Guard (mostly rotary and you've got to drive a ship first... warning about dealing with boat drivers... I've yet to hear an aviator say anything better than it's a hit and miss experience and they eat their young.)
Once you've sorted through that, you've got the service differences. What everyone says about ANG is true... I've never heard a "Guard Baby" say they wished they had gone AD. Having said that, I look back on my time on AD fondly, and you will probably have to begin at a commuter when you look for a job after ANG training.
AF is probably the best choice for quality of life as the wars in the Middle East wind down and deployment cycles reduce. That can change.
Marines and Navy are probably roughly the same. Life on a boat can suck, but 3/4 of your career will be shore based. While QOL is probably better in the AF, the cultural and coolness factor probably belong to naval aviation (not that it means much when your deployed).
There are a couple of great tongue in cheek pieces, one from Bob Norris (Navy fighters), and one from a (I assume) fictitious AF C-130 pilot that address cultural differences in a humorous, but essentially truthful manner.
#36
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In the spirit of full disclosure, I actually tried to become a Navy pilot first... but they would not waive my eyesight, and the AF did.
Some of my very favorite friends are Navy/Marine pilots,... but I wouldn't change a thing.
I have no doubt that, had I gone Navy, it would have been just as good as my AF flying career has been.
Some of my very favorite friends are Navy/Marine pilots,... but I wouldn't change a thing.
I have no doubt that, had I gone Navy, it would have been just as good as my AF flying career has been.
#37
curious, but who gets more flight time, ANG or AD ?
I would imagine that ANG with (my understanding) the role of "mostly flying" versus AD with the role of (my understanding) of "fly", "collateral duty" "leadership development" , "other BS" that the ANG guy might actually fly more.
Just wondering
I would imagine that ANG with (my understanding) the role of "mostly flying" versus AD with the role of (my understanding) of "fly", "collateral duty" "leadership development" , "other BS" that the ANG guy might actually fly more.
Just wondering
#38
The other main point -- make your own damned decision and do your own research. Show up to flight school with the "please feed me info/guidance, I don't know what to do" and you're done for. The internet is a great tool for sure but wow, does it expose some weak sisters and the "Mr. Helper" guys. Dude, figure it out for yourself.
How about the other guy, Mister I-am-31-and-want-to-be-a-military-pilot, am I too old? Pathetic -- another "feed me, feed me Mommy, I want the info, please anonymous google machine tell me what to do"
All you Mister Helper guys -- just the mil types, step back 20 or 25 years when you were all starry eyed and dreaming, were you as stupid and ill-prepared as some of these guys? "There is no such thing as a stupid question" -- sorry, there is. Some of the questions asked are ridiculous, zero background knowledge, zero research -- lazy, what's with you "helper guys" -- do you not find the lack of preparation sickening?
What a great story for the kids. "Daddy, why did you join the Marine Corps and fight the bad guys? Son, I didn't know what to do so I asked the Great Google Machine for divine guidance, and it was so"
To the OP, if I met you in a bar and you asked me the same question accompanied by the same comments, I would probably laugh -- because you're not serious.
How about the other guy, Mister I-am-31-and-want-to-be-a-military-pilot, am I too old? Pathetic -- another "feed me, feed me Mommy, I want the info, please anonymous google machine tell me what to do"
All you Mister Helper guys -- just the mil types, step back 20 or 25 years when you were all starry eyed and dreaming, were you as stupid and ill-prepared as some of these guys? "There is no such thing as a stupid question" -- sorry, there is. Some of the questions asked are ridiculous, zero background knowledge, zero research -- lazy, what's with you "helper guys" -- do you not find the lack of preparation sickening?
What a great story for the kids. "Daddy, why did you join the Marine Corps and fight the bad guys? Son, I didn't know what to do so I asked the Great Google Machine for divine guidance, and it was so"
To the OP, if I met you in a bar and you asked me the same question accompanied by the same comments, I would probably laugh -- because you're not serious.
#39
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Sickening? In general no. Some are naive and some aren't. Responders reach their own level of - 'this is too stupid to respond to or help'.
Stepping back 30 yrs what did I do? I asked every guy that I could what they had done to get where they were. There was no internet to search for info. Good books were hard to find if they existed at all. Face to face was the only choice. The questions in the begining where similar to the one's we see here.
And they have the choice of googling it or trying to electronically 'face to face' it. This is the 'face to face' electronic place.
Stepping back 30 yrs what did I do? I asked every guy that I could what they had done to get where they were. There was no internet to search for info. Good books were hard to find if they existed at all. Face to face was the only choice. The questions in the begining where similar to the one's we see here.
And they have the choice of googling it or trying to electronically 'face to face' it. This is the 'face to face' electronic place.
#40
I posted what I did to have a little fun. Sorry that it made folks feel the need to spin-up and re-engage.
I know Meat also,... and the first section landing he ever accomplished was with me in a T-38. I guess they didn't do them in the Tomcat,... but what do I know?
I know Meat also,... and the first section landing he ever accomplished was with me in a T-38. I guess they didn't do them in the Tomcat,... but what do I know?
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