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Old 03-27-2013 | 09:16 AM
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First, if you want to be a military pilot apply for ALL of them, including CG and Army. Also, apply for as many AG/Reserve units as you can. Don't worry too much about where they are or what they fly until you get some offers.
Don't sweat helo's in the AF/Navy because you will still go through fixed wing UPT which opens up opportunities later. I know a ton of Helo guys who later got a fixed wing gig(to get those hours) and loved flying the helo's while they did.
As far as my opinion on order of preference (once you get all those offers):
1. AG/Reserve (Heavy, prop, fighter, helo in that order)
2. AF (same aircraft preference as above)
3. Navy
4. CG
5. Army

Lastly, whichever route you take, ENJOY it and don't worry about what could have been. Make the best of it and always be networking (maintain all those connections, thank you FB!) and planning for the future whether you go for 20 or just the committment.

Full disclosure I'm a former AD AF C-130 guy, now Navy Selres UPT IP.
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Old 03-27-2013 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels
First, if you want to be a military pilot apply for ALL of them, including CG and Army. Also, apply for as many AG/Reserve units as you can. Don't worry too much about where they are or what they fly until you get some offers.
Don't sweat helo's in the AF/Navy because you will still go through fixed wing UPT which opens up opportunities later. I know a ton of Helo guys who later got a fixed wing gig(to get those hours) and loved flying the helo's while they did.
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AF hasn't done that in nearly 20 years. You track helo's after primary (T6s).
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Old 03-27-2013 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rev4life03
I was told by numerous recruiters from all branches that if you want to fly, NAVY is the way to go. I wanted to go NAVY but my bad eyes killed that chance. Air National Guard is what I am trying for now.
Don't ever believe recruiters, they are the last person you should look to for advice. They will flat out lie to you, to get you to join. I known a USAF pilot that had his degree when he went to a recruiter and the recruiter convinced him to enlist. He was told this is how you become pilot in the Air Force. In reality he should have been pointed to an officer accession recruiter. He enlisted and eventually commissioned and went to UPT but it took him 4 years longer than it should have.

As for your eyes rev4life, what was the problem? Did you actually fail a test or did the recruiter tell you they were bad? If the former, check on waivers if the latter, he just wanted to try to get you to join and fill a harder to fill quota like finance officer or supply officer. There is no shortage of pilot wannabes and the recruiters will often try to steer you into something else.
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Old 03-27-2013 | 07:56 PM
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My two cents - it's a package deal. You only spend a portion of your time each week actually flying. The rest is queep. In the land of the sequester, in AF fighter aviation, we fly once or twice a week right now. The rest of the time you're not flying with the Army, Navy or USMC, you're a soldier, sailor or Marine. That's got to be part of the decision. If you know what airframe you want to fly, find a guard unit that flies it and rush that unit. That can be tough to get hired though. Active duty gives you options to compete, but most of us that had to work our butts off to compete for fighters were jealous of the Guard/Reserve dude who only had to pass each phase (not as easy as it sounds) to get his dream aircraft. I've loved living around the world on active duty, but not moving every three years would not have sucked.
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Old 03-28-2013 | 05:02 AM
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Take my advice with a grain of salt, since I'm no longer on active duty.
I'm not familiar with Army or Navy aviation, I was one of the few C-130 guys who didn't go through the Navy flight program down at Corpus.
The Air Force is a terrific way of life. Not all my time in the AF was spent as a pilot, only about 3/4 of the time, but I loved my time and wouldn't trade it for anything.
UPT will be the hardest year of your life. As a student, you're under constant scrutiny, constantly being evaluated, tested and stressed. You'll study constantly, subject to fear, ridicule and berating. It's not for everyone, and plenty of very well-qualified, smart and ambitious people never make it through. It's a "cooperate to graduate" system, but there are a few guys who try to slide through. They're usually found out pretty quickly.
However, the year at UPT was one of the best years of my life. The training is amazing, you learn to parachute, basic survival, how to fly high performance aircraft and how to lead. An absolutely amazing year. And it continues after UPT, there's survival school, resistance training (think how to deal with being captured and put in a POW prison), and then your follow-on aircraft training. All the while being paid quite well.
The days of big time flying are coming to an end though. With sequester, the guys in my old unit are flying about 5 hours per month. After sequester, it may not get much better as the Air Force is in a huge fuel-conservation mode, and a lot of training will be done in simulators. Missions will obviously be conducted in the actual aircraft, but checkrides and proficiency sorties will be conducted in a full-motion simulator. The new simulators are amazing, giving a full range of motion and excellent visuals, but theyre still simulators. I envision guys going through UPT now will be hard pressed to reach ATP minimums by the time their first commitment is up.
But, don't let me be a Debby Downer. It's still an amazing career, a worthwhile and honorable career and one I'd never, ever regret having.
Good luck in your decision, it's an amazing time to be a young pilot.
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Old 03-28-2013 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LowSlowT2
Chuck Norris was in the Air Force.

...all other branches are irrelevant.
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Old 03-28-2013 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LowSlowT2
Chuck Norris was in the Air Force.

...all other branches are irrelevant.
I met Chuck Norris in College Station on an out & back when I was instructing in T-1s.
Great guy, shorter than I expected, but I'm pretty sure he walked through a glass door without opening it.
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Old 03-28-2013 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
. We also have guys jumping off AD into our sq at 12+ years because they can't deal with the BS anymore.

Have you seen this little gem?

Military News, benefits, careers, photos, discussions - Military Times HOME
This is a very sad day. This is basically Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution applied to our USAF to remove all traces of historical legacy/tradition: Eliminating historical patches, offensive nametags, nose art, hawglogs, doofer books, songbooks, coins...I'm sure that will stop the rapists at Lackland.
Did they remove the hands of fighter pilots after performing the hand gestures to "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot"? That's probably the next step...
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Old 04-01-2013 | 03:53 PM
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Apply to all of them. If accepted into an Air National Guard unit, or any Guard unit for that matter, take it. You can't predict the future. I'm a 27 year Army Aviator. I've spent the last 13 years in fixed wing with three type ratings. I currently have an interview with with a legacy airline. You never know what is going to happen. Bottom line is, you will have a great time flying for whatever service accepts you.
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