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Old 05-15-2014, 05:41 AM
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Default Do any current C-130s have JAL capability?

I'm not in the military or anything was just wondering. Saw a documentary a while ago showing the capabilities of jet assisted landing. Looked like a great concept until an accident before a mission deployment (I think it was activated before full weight was on the wheels? or something like that).

Just wanted to know if that was fully given up on or not.
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It was only experimental and designed in response to the failed hostage rescue in Tehran. I think a Lockheed crew crashed it at Dobbins later.

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It was only experimental and designed in response to the failed hostage rescue in Tehran. I think a Lockheed crew crashed it at Dobbins later.

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There is a very interesting story about how/why it crashed...many lessons learned in the CRM world about communication among multi-crewed aircraft.
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Flown by Gen Schwartz. Didn't much care for him as CSAF, but that was some manly flying
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It was only experimental and designed in response to the failed hostage rescue in Tehran. I think a Lockheed crew crashed it at Dobbins later.

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The HTTB (High Technology Test Bed) was a different plane, different animal - although some of the technology from the Credible Sport program was incorporated. It was crashed by a Lockheed test crew exploring Vmcg and using a fly-by-wire system that turned out to be malfunctioning in '93.

Of the original Credible Sport planes (YMC-130), two were originally modified to this configuration. One crashed during testing and a third began modification, but the program was terminated before full mod and it was de-modified - I believe it went back to Dyess. The remaining one is at Robins ARB in their airpark, but has been deemed unworthy of saving and will likely be chopped up unfortunately. I saw it back in '08 and it was in pretty poor condition. An ignoble ending to an incredible chapter.
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Yeah i'm really surprised that it was scrapped. It seemed like it was an incredibly useful technology. Especially since what I most recently read on it made it seem like it was error on the part of the crew, and not a mechanical malfunction (someone care to comment on that?).

Anyways, thanks for the info!
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Yeah i'm really surprised that it was scrapped. It seemed like it was an incredibly useful technology. Especially since what I most recently read on it made it seem like it was error on the part of the crew, and not a mechanical malfunction (someone care to comment on that?).

Anyways, thanks for the info!
From the little I know of it, the rockets were all manually fired and some of them were fired either out of sequence or too early causing the hard landing and subsequent breakup.
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Yeah i'm really surprised that it was scrapped. It seemed like it was an incredibly useful technology. Especially since what I most recently read on it made it seem like it was error on the part of the crew, and not a mechanical malfunction (someone care to comment on that?).

Anyways, thanks for the info!
It was incredibly dangerous technology, and was only applied in that manner because they needed to come up with something that could land in a very small space. Turned out the right answer was helicopters, the only issue was they needed to be refueled.

We have subsequently mastered AAR since the desert-one debacle. Also CV-22 have good unrefueled speed and range, they basically fill the niche envisioned for the JAL C-130.
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It was only experimental and designed in response to the failed hostage rescue in Tehran. I think a Lockheed crew crashed it at Dobbins later.

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Actually I think it crashed on the Eglin range, specifically Wagner Field-about 2 nm from my neighborhood
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