Restricted ATP for NFOs?
09-02-2014, 04:29 PM
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I'd say for the simple reason you can't "mix 'n match" regulatory bodies. That is, you can't instruct for FAA certs in a military plane. As far as the FAA is concerned the military plane doesn't exist. You can fly in the military without an FAA certificate. There are good reasons to keep a bright line between them.
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09-02-2014, 04:47 PM
#52
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Disagree. I know plenty of folks that have brought the FAA onboard their military airplane to get their ATP.
My landings in the military airplanes I fly count for my FAA/CFR regulatory currencies.
Additionally, my friends at some non-military govt agencies do much of this.
Is there a reference that you have that says I cannot cross the streams?
My landings in the military airplanes I fly count for my FAA/CFR regulatory currencies.
Additionally, my friends at some non-military govt agencies do much of this.
Is there a reference that you have that says I cannot cross the streams?
09-02-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Forget the SIC thing...
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
If you want to use that time towards an FAA certificate, I'd have to ask: What was the purpose of that flight? Was the purpose of that flight training intended to certificate/rate that guy in the aircraft as a pilot? (not to mention does he at least have a student pilot cert?)
As I understand it, NFOs go through some very abbreviated flight training during their school, which would probably be ok to log (without checking any references to be sure) due to the purpose/intent.
09-02-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F4E Mx
Just curious, but what would you do with a USAF pilot who had not gone to "a military undergraduate pilot school"? He would be outta luck? There were a few including a guy named Stewart - as in Brigadier General James Stewart. At the start of WWII he already had his civilian licenses so the War Department sent him to Instructor Pilots School and he went on from there to be one of the true heroes of the war.
What?
Did you even read what you posted?
09-02-2014, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Disagree. I know plenty of folks that have brought the FAA onboard their military airplane to get their ATP.
My landings in the military airplanes I fly count for my FAA/CFR regulatory currencies.
Additionally, my friends at some non-military govt agencies do much of this.
Is there a reference that you have that says I cannot cross the streams?
My landings in the military airplanes I fly count for my FAA/CFR regulatory currencies.
Additionally, my friends at some non-military govt agencies do much of this.
Is there a reference that you have that says I cannot cross the streams?
09-02-2014, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Forget the SIC thing...
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
Especially in the case where the Pilot has an FAA Instructor certificate...
And the Nav has an FAA PPL or Commercial...
Would you agree the Nav can log "dual"?
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
Especially in the case where the Pilot has an FAA Instructor certificate...
And the Nav has an FAA PPL or Commercial...
Would you agree the Nav can log "dual"?
09-02-2014, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Forget the SIC thing...
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
Especially in the case where the Pilot has an FAA Instructor certificate...
And the Nav has an FAA PPL or Commercial...
Would you agree the Nav can log "dual"?
Forget anything about a Restricted ATP...
Can they log time if the pilot on board is an instructor?
Especially in the case where the Pilot has an FAA Instructor certificate...
And the Nav has an FAA PPL or Commercial...
Would you agree the Nav can log "dual"?
09-02-2014, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
As I understand it, NFOs go through some very abbreviated flight training during their school, which would probably be ok to log (without checking any references to be sure) due to the purpose/intent.
It's definitely flight training though...if they're good enough they let them solo at the end, or at least they used to.
09-02-2014, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's what it comes down to.
- FAA pilot cert.
- Flying airplane from flight control station.
- Required pilot crewmember per federal government (DoD) procedures.
- FAA pilot cert.
- Flying airplane from flight control station.
- Required pilot crewmember per federal government (DoD) procedures.
Edit to add: Let's notch up the absurdity. Several years ago, I was on an airline flight from Key West to Miami. The "real" airplane was overbooked, and 7 (8? 9?) of us were shunted over to some contracted twin turboprop (no idea what it was). One of the pax was in the right seat. By the logic I'm reading in this thread, that pax should've logged SIC.... Nonsense!!
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