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Old 02-11-2015, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
The toes you step on today may be connected to the ass you kiss tomorrow.
And here I thought I'd heard them all. I love it.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post

Additionally, TacAir looks like fun, but for the airlines you're better off flying C-17s, KC-135s/10s or even C-130s.
Right and dead wrong. On the correct side, fighters are fun and a lot of hard work. Dead wrong picking one (fixed wing) airframe over another thinking you have a better chance at being hired or doing the job better. I will admit I probably had a couple extra hurdles to clear having never flown a large airplane before, but the training you get is designed to overcome that. I feel very comfortable where I am now and don't think I am any better or worse in my current job because I happened to fly fighters before.

Originally Posted by satpak77 View Post
It it true that a fighter guy can move to C-17 (for example) down the road but a C-17 guy (UPT into C-17's) cannot move to fighters.

I think I heard that somewhere
Without T-38 training in UPT the chances of moving from a heavy to fighter are incredibly low. Going from fighter to heavy AD is also very difficult because of the current fighter pilot shortage. I agree with F15Cricket, lose your ejection seat qual or go guard/reserve and the transition is definitely possible.

Originally Posted by FLY6584 View Post

I'll tell you you're wrong now. Lol.
Touche' sir. I should have caveated 'worried about the airlines' with and 'lets his IPs and classmates in on his grand plans'. In all seriousness, UPT is challenging and often painful. For most, the light at the end of the tunnel in the form of those USAF wings is what gets you through the difficult times -- it is far more challenging if that light is a pinprick 10 years down the road in the form of a line number at a major.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:20 AM
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Civilian vs. military.... fighter pilot vs. heavy pilot.... I'm here to put this to bed once and for all! Big picture wise, it just does not matter. If you are an a$$ clown and can't fly the jet, then all is lost. Airline flying is not difficult, especially these days. Follow the magenta line-LNAV & VNAV and here we go.
As for the fighters vs. heavies, you have to give the fighter guys a lot of credit and this is coming from a heavy pilot (chose to fly heavies after T-38s). Most likely, these guys/gals finished in the top 10-20% of their class, made it through IFF and RTU, and most likely were checked out as a 4 ship lead. Many were IPs, some are patch wearers, and some even got shot at. I know I know, there are plenty heavy boys, especially C-130/C-17 boys who have been there too. Coming from their world, it just takes a little training and adjustment in working with another crew member sitting next to him/her. Fighter guys are not new to CRM. Try leading a xx ship into combat and back. I haven't met a fighter pilot who could not fly an airliner, as long as some of them can check their ego at the jetway. Unfortunately, there is quite of bit of "inferiority complex" amongst those who could/did not fly fighters. Let's just be honest with ourselves, that's all.
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Old 02-19-2015, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr View Post
Get the popcorn......

Try reading baseops.net. Just read, don't post, things get brutal there. You are correct that this has been discussed many times before. This crowd here is a bit more mature and less harsh on a newbie asking this question.

Now get back to learning Boldface Ops limits and chair flying.

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DITTO what Tweetdrvr says. Baseops.net is a bunch of 2LT who think they know it all and act like jerks on a forum. We are all "know-it-all 2LTS" at one time...but I never had a forum..we joked/critizied face to face

You will get some good info here as well as some smart answers. Just take it all in and do what you want but have the END goal in mind.

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Old 02-19-2015, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
I have seen this several times. Most line guys understand if the boss "has a job to do…", but the ones that seem to go out of the way to "punish" guys for leaving often find a few roadblocks in their subsequent careers.
Agreed.

I as an officer and eventually a CC (Reserves) I mentored folks to ALWAYS keep both options open. Do your PME, become an IP, get your ATP, etc. You can ALWAYS get out with Air War College done and turn down rank/PCS....but you can't go back and redo what you did not "do" to make rank.

I wouldn't commit to telling the boss you are getting out. I made that mistake in AD. My CC (now the AFSOC CC) was cool but subsequent ones were not so much. Then I went reserves and made O6.
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