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04-06-2017, 08:38 AM
#131
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Originally Posted by Finny McCool
I don't mind talking to people and giving them my perspective as someone who made the move. I've spoken to many over the phone. While I'm not going to spend a lot of time reading this forum, I'm a little surprised your wife would waste one minute doing so.
By the way, if people with low self worth hadn't lived on the Union board arguing to pass such a worthless contract maybe there wouldn't be so many who invested so much time there looking for an exit.
By the way, if people with low self worth hadn't lived on the Union board arguing to pass such a worthless contract maybe there wouldn't be so many who invested so much time there looking for an exit.
04-06-2017, 09:07 AM
#132
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
I know that no company is perfect, and SWA is absolutely not the end all be all. But all things being equal, would you rather be at NetJets than SWA? I am legitimately asking the question since your wife works there, you have the first hand knowledge of both companies side by side.
04-06-2017, 09:56 AM
#133
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Legitimately our life works best with me at NJA with a predictable schedule, no commuting, and great insurance, I genuinely enjoy the job, and it works best for mia familia, if I were to return to 121 it would not be the pax side, I'm a freight dog at heart ❤️: )
04-07-2017, 05:09 AM
#134
Otto
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Turkish Pile Driver
Posts: 1,806
I have no idea why this thread caught my eye since I don't even read the fractional section, must've been a current post or something. I have 0 part 91 experience, just mil and 121 but hopefully I can add.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
Last edited by MikeF16; 04-07-2017 at 05:26 AM.
04-07-2017, 05:30 AM
#135
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Originally Posted by MikeF16
I have no idea why this thread caught my eye since I don't even read the fractional section, must've been a current post or something. I have 0 part 91 experience, just mil and 121 but hopefully I can add.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
04-08-2017, 06:32 AM
#136
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 63
Originally Posted by MikeF16
I have no idea why this thread caught my eye since I don't even read the fractional section, must've been a current post or something. I have 0 part 91 experience, just mil and 121 but hopefully I can add.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
You need to know yourself. Commuting isn't for everybody, it can be stressful and time consuming. If you're very type A and like control of your life then commuting will feel like a stick in your eye. That 12 day per month schedule with (potential) double uncommutable trips is now 16-20 days. Certainly not all airlines, not all fleet types, not all seniorities, but it does happen in a worst case scenario. Add in hotels or a crash pad plus restaurants and your costs go up considerably. You're a little older than me, when I was 1st hired I did the NYC crash pad and my #1 take was I'm too effing old to be in a GD crash pad, but crappy airport hotels can be $200 a night in NYC and LA, what can you do? Now, if you're the laid back type who just rolls with everything then this is a nonfactor. If you move into base also a nonfactor.
The majors have significantly higher earning potential, at DAL we've got guys who aren't even out of initial training holding NYC MD88 captain. Of course that category is going away but the point is if you are just looking for cash then there's a pile to be made at the majors. I've seen all the charts people have posted about previous furloughs, that's your gut check. Anybody who claims to know what the future holds is fooling themselves, past performance has zero bearing on what will happen in the next 10 years, maybe there will be another black swan and the industry will got to shlt, maybe the hiring boom coupled with the retirement wave will mean unprecedented pilot earnings. Very long term I think NJ has more viability than any major airline since (IMO) at some point the entire industry as we know it will be ruined by either the ME3, flag of convenience carriers, or technology that eliminates 1 or both pilots from the equation. I said very long term, probably not applicable to your personal decision.
Once you're at work, I'm pretty sure you guys work a lot harder than 121 guys. I sign in, fly the plane, have very little interaction with the customers, and take company arranged transpo to and from a company arranged hotel. Flying the plane could mean I'm on a NB and I'm doing a 14 hour day with 5 legs and changing planes every time I touch ATL, or it could be a single leg transcon or international leg that includes 2 meals and a sleep break. As mentioned previously I don't qualify for any perks, points, or loyalty bonuses. When the trip is done I go home and don't think about it again until the next trip begins.
Good luck with your decision.
Man, what an excellent post. Best post yet on any of the NetJets forums. Thanks for a "simple and straight forward" insight.
Fly safe
04-12-2017, 12:57 AM
#137
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by Das Auto
15 year captain earning $170,000 a year...
That's less than my second year FO pay at UPS.
I was a 13 year Captain at NJ, 49 married with kids... I have never looked back or regretted my move. I do miss my friends I made and wish all the best for those that stay.
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04-12-2017, 05:54 AM
#138
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 466
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Originally Posted by G550Guy
That's less than my second year FO pay at UPS.
I was a 13 year Captain at NJ, 49 married with kids... I have never looked back or regretted my move. I do miss my friends I made and wish all the best for those that stay.
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I was a 13 year Captain at NJ, 49 married with kids... I have never looked back or regretted my move. I do miss my friends I made and wish all the best for those that stay.
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And then...
He aged horribly with night flying and trips to China and left them all 10 years too early.
Always a catch.
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04-12-2017, 06:44 AM
#140
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 466
Originally Posted by Jetlife
Seniority actually counts for something at UPS, he'll be just fine.
And how exactly would you propose seniority is used at NetJets?
Besides vacation and aircraft type?
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