Originally Posted by Out West

What is WN?

Originally Posted by germanaviator

I gotta ask: What's the point of the pics you keep posting? Do they add anything useful to the discussions? Yeah, the Phenom is kind of pretty but it is a very (!) uncomfortable work place. Tiny seats, no room to stretch your legs during flight, yoke hitting, kneecap, always a bent back while working in the cabin etc... So I kinda feel you are trying to make it look better than it is.



On a related note: I never did understand why pay on the least comfortable equipment should be lower than on more comfortable one.



I actually think it is only right that NetJets pays those on the light jet the same as those on the mid or large (I know about the long haul CPTs making more) and I actually think this should be the norm.



Yes, I know, more money is generally made with larger planes but this could be averaged out (a bit less for those on the heavy metal and a bit more for those on small stuff). Same is true for the airlines IMO

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.

I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.

My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)

I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.

Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.

So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.

That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!


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Originally Posted by Learflyer

Very well said! The same goes for the folks who say the airlines are "a million dollar career." Well...it is...If you can stay lucky and remain healthy, fiscally sound, married, and be able to keep your medical. Nothing's guaranteed. Enjoy the Journey. Lots of youngsters on here who haven't lived through the several down times we've had.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.

I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.

My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)

I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.

Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.

So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.

That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!


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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22

Exactly... life on min guarantee because of $100/barrel will change perspective. And base. And equipment. And seat. And line holding status.


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Originally Posted by Jetlife

If gas goes up to 100/barrel that would put NetJets in the red. Everyone suffers, not just the airlines.

Originally Posted by Learflyer

The difference is...the rich keep flying...the folks that use SWA and others would not.

Originally Posted by Learflyer

The difference is...the rich keep flying...the folks that use SWA and others would not.