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04-02-2017 | 02:37 PM
#41
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I agree. In 08 my Fortune 500 employer flew even more as they tried to wring every last penny from the company stores and distribution centers. Discretionary spending at the airlines fell.
Maybe fewer trips to Aspen and Hilton Head, but more business travel overall.
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04-02-2017 | 05:49 PM
#42
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Year 3 FO here at NJ. 45 years old. Looking to jump to WN should the opportunity present itself. Dallas based so it'd be a great fit. App is in, and I'm one of the lucky 400 who'll be attending the in house pilot recruiting event later this month. We'll see what happens. It's the only app I have in. Not interested in AA. I'm happy at NJA, but making the switch is better for myself and my family over the long haul. I was a NO voter on our current CBA. Better than it was under Hansell but for new hire FOs, ehh not so much. Good luck to all!
SWA sounds good me. But curious, why "not interested" in AA? If you're Dallas based, wouldn't that make any very large airline based in Dallas, a no-brainer. As far as I can tell, AA has extreme seniority retirement in the coming few years. Just curious.
04-02-2017 | 06:53 PM
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The current AA contract is crap with a capital S. However, with management and the union wanting to reopen it and improve it so that AA can stay competitive with some serious retirements on the horizon they may very well be worth looking at soon.
04-02-2017 | 07:52 PM
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04-02-2017 | 08:03 PM
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And that cost is borne by the owner who has a limit as well. In 2008 when fuel prices went so high we had Ten owners using the Sovereign because the fuel surcharge was cheaper. We also had Sovereign owners who were using DAL/AA/UAL first class for their transcons because it was thousands of dollars cheaper instead of flying their share. Money isn't free, and except for the new money Marquis owners, those who have earned it and quite smart with it. If fuel goes back they will adjust their flying.
04-02-2017 | 09:39 PM
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And that cost is borne by the owner who has a limit as well. In 2008 when fuel prices went so high we had Ten owners using the Sovereign because the fuel surcharge was cheaper. We also had Sovereign owners who were using DAL/AA/UAL first class for their transcons because it was thousands of dollars cheaper instead of flying their share. Money isn't free, and except for the new money Marquis owners, those who have earned it and quite smart with it. If fuel goes back they will adjust their flying.
Crazy stuff!
It's a good thing that monthly management fees pay the salaries.
Hourly occupied go to a different bucket. Always a silver lining. Less flying, less wear and tear.
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04-03-2017 | 04:53 AM
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And that cost is borne by the owner who has a limit as well. In 2008 when fuel prices went so high we had Ten owners using the Sovereign because the fuel surcharge was cheaper. We also had Sovereign owners who were using DAL/AA/UAL first class for their transcons because it was thousands of dollars cheaper instead of flying their share. Money isn't free, and except for the new money Marquis owners, those who have earned it and quite smart with it. If fuel goes back they will adjust their flying.
The current AA contract is not the greatest but it isn't terrible. The hourly rates are in the ballpark of everyone else. Profit sharing and min day pay need to be addressed in the next contract for sure.
If AA is a contender for you or anyone else I wouldn't wait for them to get a new contract before applying. The retirements and movement are starting now.
Hope all is well at NJ.
04-03-2017 | 06:08 AM
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Poor reasoning. The guy has many years left in his career. AA has mass retirements, variety of aircraft & flying and their pay & retirement isn't too shabby either.
04-03-2017 | 06:27 AM
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Yeah, AA has the worst contract now (bankruptcy) so therefore it will be the bottom forever? Also, DAL, UAL, have hired quite a few more replacements to date. This forward logic is the reason why I enjoy listening to pilots dispense financial advice. Pilots know shiite. I don't know how much a Njets FO earns. I imagine the earning potential (AA vs NJ) favors AA. Living in base is a no-brainer. SWA is a great place tho. Never hear much bad about the working environment there. My friend at Atlas who pairs with the new-hires with very limited experience (2000 hrs) tells me the newbies looking to exit Atlas routinely list AA as a non-option. 😂. Mmmk guys.
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