Leave Netjets?
04-01-2017, 07:13 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 49
Year 3 FO here at NJ. 45 years old. Looking to jump to WN should the opportunity present itself. Dallas based so it'd be a great fit. App is in, and I'm one of the lucky 400 who'll be attending the in house pilot recruiting event later this month. We'll see what happens. It's the only app I have in. Not interested in AA. I'm happy at NJA, but making the switch is better for myself and my family over the long haul. I was a NO voter on our current CBA. Better than it was under Hansell but for new hire FOs, ehh not so much. Good luck to all!
04-01-2017, 09:14 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 466
Leave Netjets?
Originally Posted by flightbag
I several have friends at the majors, and I know a couple of NetJets pilots.
I'm beginning to think the NJ guys like to tell tall stories. One NetJets guy told me he knows a Phenom training Captain who makes a base pay of $229,000.00 per year plus at least 10% over that with all the extra pay they get. He also said he gets 28 actual days of vacation per year. And he doesn't commute.
Sorry folks, I have to throw the BS flag on that one. No company is going to pay a Phenom pilot that kind of dough. Not even half that much.
I'm beginning to think the NJ guys like to tell tall stories. One NetJets guy told me he knows a Phenom training Captain who makes a base pay of $229,000.00 per year plus at least 10% over that with all the extra pay they get. He also said he gets 28 actual days of vacation per year. And he doesn't commute.
Sorry folks, I have to throw the BS flag on that one. No company is going to pay a Phenom pilot that kind of dough. Not even half that much.
I know a Phenom pilot at NetJets that made 240k W2 with 4 weeks of vacation in 2016.
Next year will tickle 300k.
For flying a Phenom.
I know one that flew extra time and make 400k.
Leave for SWA?
Sure man.
Go for it! (If you're senior to 2002 and don't believe in the next round of bargaining).
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Last edited by FLYLOW22; 04-01-2017 at 09:32 PM.
04-01-2017, 11:08 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Bizjet Captain
Posts: 251
Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
I know a Phenom pilot at NetJets that made 240k W2 with 4 weeks of vacation in 2016.
Next year will tickle 300k.
For flying a Phenom.
I know one that flew extra time and make 400k.
Leave for SWA?
Sure man.
Go for it! (If you're senior to 2002 and don't believe in the next round of bargaining).
🤣🤣🤣
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Next year will tickle 300k.
For flying a Phenom.
I know one that flew extra time and make 400k.
Leave for SWA?
Sure man.
Go for it! (If you're senior to 2002 and don't believe in the next round of bargaining).
🤣🤣🤣
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On a related note: I never did understand why pay on the least comfortable equipment should be lower than on more comfortable one.
I actually think it is only right that NetJets pays those on the light jet the same as those on the mid or large (I know about the long haul CPTs making more) and I actually think this should be the norm.
Yes, I know, more money is generally made with larger planes but this could be averaged out (a bit less for those on the heavy metal and a bit more for those on small stuff). Same is true for the airlines IMO
04-02-2017, 02:59 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.
I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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04-02-2017, 03:16 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.
I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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04-02-2017, 04:06 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,383
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.
I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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04-02-2017, 05:04 AM
#27
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Originally Posted by Learflyer
Very well said! The same goes for the folks who say the airlines are "a million dollar career." Well...it is...If you can stay lucky and remain healthy, fiscally sound, married, and be able to keep your medical. Nothing's guaranteed. Enjoy the Journey. Lots of youngsters on here who haven't lived through the several down times we've had.
04-02-2017, 05:06 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 63
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I don't have a dog in this fight. Never worked for Netjets, although I have many friends who do. I jumped from 121 to 91 corporate after 9/11 and back to 121 at SW a few years ago.
I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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I'll say this, the grass always looks greener. Not everything that I had led myself to believe about WN ended up being true. It is a good job, but it isn't perfect, especially if you are junior and have young kids at home.
My advice to anyone looking to make the leap is to sit down with a WN pilot and talk with them about all of the little things beyond pay, retirement, and days off. Ask about flexibility to add, drop, or move flying or reserve days. Have young kids at home? Ask about how long before you can hold summer vacation. Ask about the cost of health insurance and how good the insurance is. Ask about lifestyle while on the road (hotel language, meals, etc) Ask what, if any, additional expenses must a pilot incur that are not reimbursed by the company. (Uniforms, bidding apps, parking, etc)
I think people tend to be blinded by pay, but they aren't realistic as to what it takes to get there. Yes, it is possible to exceed $100,000 at WN in year one, and $200,000 by year four or so. But that isn't just flying your line. The pilots making that kind of money are picking up extra flying and moving trips around to do as much of it as is possible. "Work smarter, not harder" is a thing... but only if you have the seniority horsepower to pull it off.
Personally, I like WN much more than I did flying corporate but there are a few things that I miss. Clean FBOs, warm cookies, crew cars, sleep rooms, expense accounts, keeping points, big chunks of time off.
So if you live in a WN base (other than ATL) and want to make the leap and you are an FO at NetJets, it's probably worth looking at. But take off the rose colored glasses, sit down with a WN pilot, and take pen to paper to write a pros/cons list to help you make as educated a decision as is possible.
That said, would love to see as many of you as is possible here, especially if you come to a Texas domicile! Maybe I could hold weekends off!
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Best post I´ve seen in a long time. Well said, thanks a lot for the honest info.
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