NetJets new Contract
11-24-2018, 08:42 PM
#241
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
A few opinions about the IBI TA:
1) It will pass and by a wide margin.
2) A year from now there will be about the same number or perhaps even fewer pilots on property operating a handful more aircraft. The desired “equillibrium” of this TA is for pilots to migrate to the longer schedules to chase more money. EXACTLY what happened with the creation of the CC schedules in 2015.
3) Quality of life will not improve substantially and, in some ways, will become worse. I’d LOVE to be the fly on the wall at the Safety meeting a year from now when they are crunching numbers from FOQA and ASAP data and see the error rates RISING and somebody has the cojones to correlate the numbers to fatigue. The mindset of min rest and 12 hours of duty as a goal is still with us and that won’t change.
4) We’ll be right back here a year from now, pockets marginally more full but still tired, still hating the job, and still *****ing. We’re NetJets pilots. It’s what we do.
1) It will pass and by a wide margin.
2) A year from now there will be about the same number or perhaps even fewer pilots on property operating a handful more aircraft. The desired “equillibrium” of this TA is for pilots to migrate to the longer schedules to chase more money. EXACTLY what happened with the creation of the CC schedules in 2015.
3) Quality of life will not improve substantially and, in some ways, will become worse. I’d LOVE to be the fly on the wall at the Safety meeting a year from now when they are crunching numbers from FOQA and ASAP data and see the error rates RISING and somebody has the cojones to correlate the numbers to fatigue. The mindset of min rest and 12 hours of duty as a goal is still with us and that won’t change.
4) We’ll be right back here a year from now, pockets marginally more full but still tired, still hating the job, and still *****ing. We’re NetJets pilots. It’s what we do.
11-24-2018, 11:41 PM
#242
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Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by su2099
What are your thoughts working 12 hours a day for 5-7 days in a row? This doesn’t seem in line with the rest of the industry.
The PR fallout if we ball one up will be devastating when they compare our duty periods to an airline’s.
11-25-2018, 10:44 AM
#243
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Posts: 775
One thing I can say is I never knew how tired I was till I left Netjets and started flying for the Majors. My hats off to you guys! Hope at some point the Pilot group figures it out. It's not all about money, you have to have time at home to decompress! One thing about Netjets is they are more than happy to pay you to stay out on the road to cover trips. That's cool when you don't want a wife or family!!
11-25-2018, 12:35 PM
#244
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E
One thing I can say is I never knew how tired I was till I left Netjets and started flying for the Majors. My hats off to you guys! Hope at some point the Pilot group figures it out. It's not all about money, you have to have time at home to decompress! One thing about Netjets is they are more than happy to pay you to stay out on the road to cover trips. That's cool when you don't want a wife or family!!
11-25-2018, 05:32 PM
#246
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Originally Posted by jetlag7
As a transportation employee, travel from home is a necessary component of my career.
My employer provides hotel accommodations and a daily stipend to cover living expenses while conducting business away from my home domicile on their behalf.
The hotel and stipend (per diem) are logistical necessities. My employer is not giving me a hotel room as compensation for work nor are they giving me per diem for the same.
Due to the scarcity of dining establishments near most FBOs and my employer's preference to keep me on duty "close-by" rather than release me to obtain nourishment off-site (utilizing per diem), my employer provides crewmeals.
The crewmeal program provides my employer a collection of "flight-ready" crews without the need to disrupt the operational schedule with meal breaks.
The program exists so they don't have to schedule regular meal breaks. It's entirely for their benefit - not ours.
The hotel, the per diem, and the crewmeals are operational components of the business -- they are not compensation.
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My employer provides hotel accommodations and a daily stipend to cover living expenses while conducting business away from my home domicile on their behalf.
The hotel and stipend (per diem) are logistical necessities. My employer is not giving me a hotel room as compensation for work nor are they giving me per diem for the same.
Due to the scarcity of dining establishments near most FBOs and my employer's preference to keep me on duty "close-by" rather than release me to obtain nourishment off-site (utilizing per diem), my employer provides crewmeals.
The crewmeal program provides my employer a collection of "flight-ready" crews without the need to disrupt the operational schedule with meal breaks.
The program exists so they don't have to schedule regular meal breaks. It's entirely for their benefit - not ours.
The hotel, the per diem, and the crewmeals are operational components of the business -- they are not compensation.
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11-25-2018, 06:13 PM
#247
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Yeah, but if you worked for a company that didn't provide those "operational components" you would have less money in the bank. Just saying.
1. Day 1 when you only airline
2. Anytime throughout your tour that you aren't attached to an airplane, or don't go to the FBO (sitting spare at the hotel all day)
3. when they are too cheap to order it from the airport you want it at
You can't count on it 100% of the time.
No bs, maybe 50% of the crew meals I received were edible. I don't consider Taco Bell, and the "egg product" breakfast at the Holiday Inn Express, real food. So if you do, then you will love the crew meals. I got tired of the mystery meat and sketch meals. I used my per diem, it was not added to my income.
Crew meals are only, solely, and exclusively to try and keep the metal moving, that is it. They are mostly low quality, very cheap food items. Sometimes you get some good food but it runs the entire spectrum depending on where you go. I often called and said I needed 30 min to go grab food because I refused to eat crew meals.
One of the few things that made me really depressed about NetJets, were captains taking 2-3 crew meals up to their room at the end of a long, hard day, and combining them to make food. I mean just thinking about people doing that made me legitimately depressed, it was so toxic, but guys love eating 10 hour old food in their boxers in a truck stop hotel...
Trust me, per diem is needed and necessary.
11-25-2018, 09:58 PM
#248
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
Trust me, per diem is needed and necessary.
Face. In. Palm.
11-26-2018, 04:03 AM
#249
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
Times you don't get crew meals:
1. Day 1 when you only airline
2. Anytime throughout your tour that you aren't attached to an airplane, or don't go to the FBO (sitting spare at the hotel all day)
3. when they are too cheap to order it from the airport you want it at
You can't count on it 100% of the time.
No bs, maybe 50% of the crew meals I received were edible. I don't consider Taco Bell, and the "egg product" breakfast at the Holiday Inn Express, real food. So if you do, then you will love the crew meals. I got tired of the mystery meat and sketch meals. I used my per diem, it was not added to my income.
Crew meals are only, solely, and exclusively to try and keep the metal moving, that is it. They are mostly low quality, very cheap food items. Sometimes you get some good food but it runs the entire spectrum depending on where you go. I often called and said I needed 30 min to go grab food because I refused to eat crew meals.
One of the few things that made me really depressed about NetJets, were captains taking 2-3 crew meals up to their room at the end of a long, hard day, and combining them to make food. I mean just thinking about people doing that made me legitimately depressed, it was so toxic, but guys love eating 10 hour old food in their boxers in a truck stop hotel...
Trust me, per diem is needed and necessary.
1. Day 1 when you only airline
2. Anytime throughout your tour that you aren't attached to an airplane, or don't go to the FBO (sitting spare at the hotel all day)
3. when they are too cheap to order it from the airport you want it at
You can't count on it 100% of the time.
No bs, maybe 50% of the crew meals I received were edible. I don't consider Taco Bell, and the "egg product" breakfast at the Holiday Inn Express, real food. So if you do, then you will love the crew meals. I got tired of the mystery meat and sketch meals. I used my per diem, it was not added to my income.
Crew meals are only, solely, and exclusively to try and keep the metal moving, that is it. They are mostly low quality, very cheap food items. Sometimes you get some good food but it runs the entire spectrum depending on where you go. I often called and said I needed 30 min to go grab food because I refused to eat crew meals.
One of the few things that made me really depressed about NetJets, were captains taking 2-3 crew meals up to their room at the end of a long, hard day, and combining them to make food. I mean just thinking about people doing that made me legitimately depressed, it was so toxic, but guys love eating 10 hour old food in their boxers in a truck stop hotel...
Trust me, per diem is needed and necessary.
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