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12-11-2018, 08:57 AM
#441
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Originally Posted by Guard
I got this from a senior Captain at the bar last night who was on the negotiating committee, Union and Company envision a guy working 7/7 schedule making about $95-110K first year with new incentives based on fleet type. With 14 days of vacation = 6 weeks off (3 weeks for each 7 day tour of vacation taken) 12 sick days and 9 PTO days, basically you should work about 142-148 days a year on 7/7 schedule if you took it all. Fly about 270-320 hours a year. Not bad money for working that amount of days, I am already looking at what side business I want to start. Now that could all change with the 135 work and rest rules FAA legislation working its way through congress, NJA is pushing for a 70 year old retirement age for 135 so that could help movement a lot.
12-11-2018, 09:13 AM
#442
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Wait a sec. It’s day time so my math may be more correct here but a new hire on 7/7 makes 26 tours of work
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
12-11-2018, 10:16 AM
#443
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My last 3 tours I averaged 15.9 hours.
15.9-12.1=3.8
3.8x118=$448.40
Did I mention they were 8-day tours?
And these numbers are historical. After scheduling is taught to work the system, and the financially desperate pilots start bending over for extra $, these flight time numbers will drop. The company knew this. So for insurance, to pass this TA in case the pilots figured this out in time to vote NO, they threw in the bonus.
This TA will pass because of 2 groups of people. The sellouts grabbing their 30k bonus. And the idiots who drank the kool-aid of “$50k+ raise!!!!!”
15.9-12.1=3.8
3.8x118=$448.40
Did I mention they were 8-day tours?
And these numbers are historical. After scheduling is taught to work the system, and the financially desperate pilots start bending over for extra $, these flight time numbers will drop. The company knew this. So for insurance, to pass this TA in case the pilots figured this out in time to vote NO, they threw in the bonus.
This TA will pass because of 2 groups of people. The sellouts grabbing their 30k bonus. And the idiots who drank the kool-aid of “$50k+ raise!!!!!”
12-11-2018, 10:41 AM
#444
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Originally Posted by Peloton
Wait a sec. It’s day time so my math may be more correct here but a new hire on 7/7 makes 26 tours of work
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
12-11-2018, 10:45 AM
#445
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Originally Posted by Peloton
Wait a sec. It’s day time so my math may be more correct here but a new hire on 7/7 makes 26 tours of work
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
"senior captains" are the least believable people at NJA (aside from MGT). The last person I'm going to trust about my future earnings potential at NJA is some 70+ fossil.
12-11-2018, 11:00 AM
#446
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Originally Posted by pugpilot
BUT THOSE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH WITH THE INSIDE SOURCE!!
"senior captains" are the least believable people at NJA (aside from MGT). The last person I'm going to trust about my future earnings potential at NJA is some 70+ fossil.
"senior captains" are the least believable people at NJA (aside from MGT). The last person I'm going to trust about my future earnings potential at NJA is some 70+ fossil.
But, but, 3 year FOs can make 200k according to the village clown. He does have endless amounts of ponies and balloons.
12-11-2018, 12:39 PM
#447
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Either enjoy the job or leave, no one wants to sit next to a cry baby all day, it still beats a cubicle for 60 hours a week and stress of commuting, I'll work my 6 months a year and play a load of golf at my Country Club! My buddies at the majors who live in base are really happy and make more than me but after commuting I will never stress about spending two of my days off getting to work or getting home, its all a trade!
12-11-2018, 12:44 PM
#448
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Originally Posted by Guard
Either enjoy the job or leave, no one wants to sit next to a cry baby all day, it still beats a cubicle for 60 hours a week and stress of commuting, I'll work my 6 months a year and play a load of golf at my Country Club! My buddies at the majors who live in base are really happy and make more than me but after commuting I will never stress about spending two of my days off getting to work or getting home, its all a trade!
12-11-2018, 12:58 PM
#449
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Originally Posted by Peloton
Wait a sec. It’s day time so my math may be more correct here but a new hire on 7/7 makes 26 tours of work
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
26-2(vacation after year 1 but okay) -2(training) =22
22 x 12.1= 266.2
Now this guy claimed flight time of 270-320 hours a year right? Let’s split it an call it the average of 300.
300-266.2=33.8 eligible for extra pay
33.8 x 118= 3988.40 extra pay
3988 + 62563 (year 1 7/7)= 66551 total
So according to my math that pilot who magically gets hired, bids and is given the 7/7 year one with 2 weeks vacation and NOT using PTO at all would be at 66551 not 95-100K. This of course is average and is based on assumptions but I find it hard to believe any union member would advocate the belief that one could add 50 percent to total pay on year 1.
The TA will pass. It will not amount to much after a year in pilot pay as NJA learns and adapts to the different work rules.
Is this new math my kids talk about? 52/2=26x7=182-41=141? Not sure about your numbers, I am just talking about days away from home, I will work 14 hours all day, with Latitude averaging 30 hours a tour that is 26 weeks-6 weeks for vacation and days off associated with those days (14 extra days per 7 days of vacation under the contract) 30 hours per tour actually equals 600 hours a year on the Latitude, if you do 30 hours a tour, that's $2112.20 per tour in overtime x 20=about $42,000? on top of the new raise of 3%, that does not include the night or other overtime pay. Now of that $42K about $13.5K goes into your 401K. At least this is how this adds up to me! $79K + 29K=108K right?
12-11-2018, 02:27 PM
#450
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Originally Posted by Guard
Is this new math my kids talk about? 52/2=26x7=182-41=141? Not sure about your numbers, I am just talking about days away from home, I will work 14 hours all day, with Latitude averaging 30 hours a tour that is 26 weeks-6 weeks for vacation and days off associated with those days (14 extra days per 7 days of vacation under the contract) 30 hours per tour actually equals 600 hours a year on the Latitude, if you do 30 hours a tour, that's $2112.20 per tour in overtime x 20=about $42,000? on top of the new raise of 3%, that does not include the night or other overtime pay. Now of that $42K about $13.5K goes into your 401K. At least this is how this adds up to me! $79K + 29K=108K right?
You don’t fly 600 hours a year. I just had a Brio report pulled. NJA does not have any 600 hour wonder kids in the
Lattitude.
Whatever you fly will regress toward the mean. That is a guarantee.
Good luck man...hope you enjoy the links.
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