Retractable

Bullseye observation and exactly correct.

OhSnapAF

It’s a sad state of affairs when somebody who fatigues is a “slacking pilot.” What percentage of overall flying is on a selloff? 6%? So they reduce that by half so 3% more flying, plus all those “slacker” pilots who stop being wussies by fatiguing spreads those hours over the pilot group. I really don’t think you guys grasp the concept that if fatigues drastically reduce, the flying doesn’t increase per pilot, its reduced! You’re spreading 400 flights over 900 pilots instead of 700 or whatever it works out to be. So you gain a small margin by reducing selloffs, but NJA won’t eliminate sell offs, that just isn’t gonna happen.

Retractable

Gosh, if that’s the case, all pilots won’t be limited to 300TT a year.

This is going to be a good chapter in NetJets history for the company and this pilot group.

There’s a wide variety of schedules and income available.

Regarding fatigues... legit fatigues are not the issue. The issue is when a pilot decides they are done flying for the day so they use fatigue as the excuse to stop flying.

It happens.

Each fatigue causes 6 reschedule movements.

Enter: IBI2018.

Flyfalcons

Is a legitimate fatigue or maintenance issue the real problem here, of course not. With an operation like ours, it's going to happen, and I have the red days on my yearly schedule look-back to show that I fatigue when needed as well. But let's not kid ourselves on how certain pilots can be on the CC76 schedule and fly less than 100 hours per year in a fleet where most are working far more than that. This IBI provides a vehicle to leave those pilots behind financially compared with the majority of the pilots who simply show up and do the job to the best of their ability. It is no secret that a tightening of the bell curve of pilot productivity was the goal of the company here, and with financial incentives in place to do the work that most of us are already doing, this could help both the company and the pilot group. Added owner satisfaction from less schedule disruption and selloffs will be a bonus to that as well.

Peloton

In 2017 NJA flew 376,000 total flight hours. That works out to be about 134.5 hours per pilot on the seniority list. Let’s just say for the sake of argument management pilots and guys on terminal leave are left off and we round that up to 150 hours per pilot. These are solid numbers reported by NJA, along with 250,000 flights and around 420 planes.

So we have 12.1 hours per tour to beat on an average. Let’s say that’s over 18 tours. That’s 26 minus vacation/training/sick etc etc etc. That gets us to a threshold of 217 hours per pilot per year. So let’s think about this a little. 607K total company flight hours a year to get to that threshold. That’s an increase of well over 200K flight hours to get to the average pilot over the 12.1. Now of course I’m using averages and company provided data so give or take a few ten thousands.

If you think NJA is going to grow 200K flight hours in the next few years then you have been listening to Sean Spicer a little much.

Will some make off better? Yeah mostly long haul guys that can rack up 20 hours a tour on two days. But the great majority will see little benefit to this. I averaged 221 hours a year for 12 years on different schedules and different fleets.Thats pretty damned close to the 217 needed to get a “raise” but is it worth it handcuff one for 3 more years?

Retractable/FalconPilot (who may be the same person for all I know) think it will be a HUGE pay raise. The union disagrees with you as it’s but the preamble to the TA document. I disagree with you. I am willing to bet on it but have not heard back ftom JL.

OhSnapAF

Retractable is JL. FlyFalcons is not JL, and is a good dude that is hopeful for the best outcome so I get the optimism. Problem is, math doesn’t lie, and it’s a concept completely foreign to JL.

To say that a 3 year FO can make 200k at NetJets is quite literally the most bone headed, asinine thing he’s ever said and that’s at the top of a laundry list longer than how many days he extends a year.

Guard

It' going to be interesting, word is the 350 and Latitude are selling as fast as the company will allow. Problem is attracting pilots, class starting Monday for New Hires was suppose to have 22, only 12 are showing up. Current class lost people between indoctrination and ground school. Pay is going to have to go up to meet demand, current contract is being sold as a $25K raise for first year FO's??? and 20% base scale increase over 5 years not including the overtime and new 12.1 overages.

Flyfalcons

The problem with your math is that there are two pilots onboard each aircraft. 376,000 hours / 1250 crews = 300 hours per crew. Each pilot in the cockpit is getting those 300 just based on that quick math. The actual average is higher than that based on information given to the pilots.

tm602

You are happy for their families. The families that see their father/husband/whatever slightly over 40% of the year because they have to be on a schedule with 228 days away from home per year to make a living where their airline counterparts work less and make more. And 200K as a small cabin SIC? Please.....
And anyone counting on the "estimate" can be brought to reality by trying to pay bills with the promise of "soft money". Go ahead, try to tell AMEX or your home lender that you'll give them an IOU on soft money that MAY or MAY NOT occur. We hillbillies call that "counting your chickens before they hatch". Its as silly as counting per diem as hard income.

OhSnapAF

Yea and 2 months ago they were telling interviewees that they could easily make 100% their first year. It’s real easy for management to bait people with no qualification on what it’s gonan take to make that. No different than how Retractable does it, but he and management are one in the same.