avi8er

150k is not realistic first year. Since training usually take several month and even though you are on the CC72 pay you are missing out on a lot of soft money. So you really have about 8 to 9 month to work the 76 day, long tour, and FDP, extending every day when able. So 150k is someone inflating the truth.

MinRest

100k year one is realistic though. Although if you go on 7/7 year 2 you take a pay cut. and factor going from year 1 to year 10 as only around 50k increase in that pay.

AirBear

Found the post by medflyer about the $150K. The holiday pay skews the results some and the FDP is a bit on the heavy side but I left it alone for the calculations. Brings it down to around $144K without holiday pay, of course this is after training and he's flying the line.

Netjets Schedule

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Haven't finished my first year with NetJets yet and this how my basic compensation broke down for my last paycheck.

JoePesci

Several FOs are well over 200k in the busier fleets if they’re working the contract.

MinRest

No, several FOs are not well over 200k on the 7/7, at all.

jtf560

Those FOs are mostly well over a decade in seniority and on the Global or 650. Last year there were surely more than there will be this year since there was the contract bonus. Those numbers are possible here, just not all that common and all that probable since it also relies on the help of scheduling to award extended days, schedule on holidays, schedule a lot of long days for OT, and schedule a lot of flying for FDP. With a ton of seniority it isn't hard at all on the Global, but there are only about 50 SICs on the Global.

His numbers do mostly add up for a typical newhire who either isn't all that interested in working the 72 or 76 day schedules or one who gets placed on a legacy fleet without a lot of FDP pay or extending opportunities. A newer SIC can make over 100K without trying all that hard and if everything works out exactly right can push 150K second year and maybe if there is a miracle or two, their first year. That is just super unlikely and not indicative of what someone can really be expecting if they come to work here.

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jtf560

I can't say how many FOs were over 200K on the 7&7 last year. Probably less than 5. That said, I did the 60 day one period, and the 7&7 the rest and barely beat 200K with the contract bonus. I'll probably be 7&7 all year this year and I for sure won't get there again without the contract bonus. There are limits on extended days on all but the 72 and 76 day schedules and FDP isn't huge on the Global. Probably every Global SIC that does the 72 or 76 day schedules will break 200K. The contract has 17 years of pay service for the GLC fleets and then the bonus year pay after that. Once the 7500s are on property it will pay another 10% and I would be willing to bet there will be hard working SICs who will be regularly breaking 300K.

As far as SICs making bigger than expected money, it is mostly true provided they are on the busier schedules, getting a ton of FDP pay, and lots of extended days. That just isn't really possible for everyone since you are in scheduling a hands for a lot of that. I don't believe he is claiming that anyone is making the bigger checks without working a lot to get it. Your arguments start from the working less days/ closer to airline amounts of days working side. You are both mostly right coming from the amount of work days you are extrapolating from.

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MinRest

I have no doubt that a few ultra senior FOs crested 200k in 2019 especially because of the contract bonus.

Now are there some 16 year FOs making 200k on the 7/7? I sure freaking hope so!

I stand my my previous statement though. You can make 100k year one, but if you switch to the 7/7 you will see a slight reduction in year end salary from year 1 to year 2, and that from year 1 to year 10 the salary increase right now is around 50k. Sure that will go up with contract bumps and what not but that’s a fairly realistic pay outlook on the 7/7.

tomgoodman

Discuss numbers only, as the thread title indicates. Any remarks about another APC member will be deleted and draw infractions.

jtf560

That is true. You go from the fewer work days side and your nemesis goes from the max and then some working days side. The average is somewhere in between since pilots have different priorities from quarter to quarter and year to year and scheduling is out of our control.

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