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dtwsaab 08-02-2020 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by germanaviator (Post 3103588)
Doesn't mean it's a bad country. It does have its major flaws though and is far from perfect. Being able to see and admit this does not mean one isn't a patriot. It just means one isn't an idiot.

But but but....’MERICA!!! Education and science is the devil’s work!

IslandHop 08-02-2020 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by germanaviator (Post 3103588)
Sorry, off topic, but I didn't start it ;-)



I'm not sure if you are being serious but in case you are: By most measures it is not. Neither is my country by the way.

I had a quick look at rankings from a wide range of international sources by country based on freedom, GDP, heaths systems, obesity, drug addiction, violent crime, higher education, obesity, happiness, suicide rates and much more. The US is not the number one in any(!) of these rankings.

Doesn't mean it's a bad country. It does have its major flaws though and is far from perfect. Being able to see and admit this does not mean one isn't a patriot. It just means one isn't an idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...e-in-the-world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_attainment

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...of_opiates_use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ppiness_Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_obesity_rate

oh, and before anyone objects to my use of wikipedia. Wikipedia is not the source of the data. Each linked article has plenty of citations including the original data sources.

Very well done. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Das Auto 08-02-2020 06:01 AM

I've been receiving mixed information on future classes. Some say they're starting up again soon, others say NJ is still offering unpaid leave. which is it?

The only information I have been able to confirm is that those in the pool will remain there until the dust settles, and will not need to re-interview.

MinRest 08-02-2020 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by germanaviator (Post 3103588)
Sorry, off topic, but I didn't start it ;-)



I'm not sure if you are being serious but in case you are: By most measures it is not. Neither is my country by the way.

I had a quick look at rankings from a wide range of international sources by country based on freedom, GDP, heaths systems, obesity, drug addiction, violent crime, higher education, obesity, happiness, suicide rates and much more. The US is not the number one in any(!) of these rankings.

Doesn't mean it's a bad country. It does have its major flaws though and is far from perfect. Being able to see and admit this does not mean one isn't a patriot. It just means one isn't an idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...e-in-the-world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_attainment

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...of_opiates_use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ppiness_Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_obesity_rate

oh, and before anyone objects to my use of wikipedia. Wikipedia is not the source of the data. Each linked article has plenty of citations including the original data sources.

You summarize lots of core issues here in this country right now. We are not the greatest country on the planet, and far from it in so many ways. This blind patriotism is why we have lost our way. Even lots of pilots vote for staunch anti union politicians and instead of taking this COVID pandemic even remotely seriously, we have pilots who don't believe in masks and want you to drink fish tank cleaner because the orange muppet said so.

GeeWizDriver 08-02-2020 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Das Auto (Post 3103666)
I've been receiving mixed information on future classes. Some say they're starting up again soon, others say NJ is still offering unpaid leave. which is it?

The only information I have been able to confirm is that those in the pool will remain there until the dust settles, and will not need to re-interview.

They offered unpaid leaves, tour drops etc. but halted new leaves and tour drops in June when flight demand rebounded strongly. Apparently, demand has softened because they are offering them again.

I find it hard to believe they’ll be hiring any for the rest of 2020. Sorry.

chase 08-02-2020 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3103746)
You summarize lots of core issues here in this country right now. We are not the greatest country on the planet, and far from it in so many ways. This blind patriotism is why we have lost our way. Even lots of pilots vote for staunch anti union politicians and instead of taking this COVID pandemic even remotely seriously, we have pilots who don't believe in masks and want you to drink fish tank cleaner because the orange muppet said so.

Disagree. America has been and still is the greatest country in the world. Flaws yes? Imperfect yes? Some of those are referenced above.

Dinesh D’Souza articles hits upon many of those elements in this article

What's Great About America


Other bullet points:
  • The reason that “a lot of countries have freedoms” today is because our Founding Fathers pioneered the principle of popular sovereignty, where governments answer to the people. At the time of our founding, the rest of the world was ruled by monarchs. Our founders established the first country in human history that was built not only on blood and soil, but on an idea — the idea of human liberty.
  • For most of our history, American democracy was a global outlier. In 1938, on the eve of World War II, there were just 17 democracies. It was not until 1998 — just two decades ago — that there were more democracies than autocracies.
  • Today, 4.1 billion people live in democracies. (Of those who don’t, four out of five live in China.) The unprecedented expansion of liberty has produced unprecedented prosperity.
  • Last September, the Brookings Institution reported that “for the first time since agriculture-based civilization began 10,000 years ago, the majority of humankind . . . some 3.8 billion people, live in households with enough discretionary expenditure to be considered ‘middle class’ or ‘rich.’ ”
  • None of that would be possible without the Pax Americana guaranteed by US military. Americans liberated a continent, rebuilt much of it from the rubble of war with the Marshall Plan, and then stood watch on freedom’s frontier and prevented a Soviet tank invasion across the Fulda Gap. And today, the only thing that stops North Korea from invading South Korea or China from invading Taiwan is American military might.
  • Every country that enjoys democratic governance today owes its birth of freedom to our Founding Fathers and the continued existence of their democracy to the US military.
Dont expect to change your opinion...shared for lurkers who might be swayed by your opinions and the data above but stats don’t tell the full story but are convenient talking points for those who find America “not the greatest country”. ...

I ask you if the US isn’t the most desirable which country is?

Do they have persons fighting to come to their country in the numbers the US has?

If not, why not?

Cheers and good luck in your aviation career.

OBTW, you can thank those old American Wright Brothers for this profession.

Das Auto 08-03-2020 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by germanaviator (Post 3103588)
Sorry, off topic, but I didn't start it ;-)



I'm not sure if you are being serious but in case you are: By most measures it is not. Neither is my country by the way.

I had a quick look at rankings from a wide range of international sources by country based on freedom, GDP, heaths systems, obesity, drug addiction, violent crime, higher education, obesity, happiness, suicide rates and much more. The US is not the number one in any(!) of these rankings.

Doesn't mean it's a bad country. It does have its major flaws though and is far from perfect. Being able to see and admit this does not mean one isn't a patriot. It just means one isn't an idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...e-in-the-world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_attainment

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...of_opiates_use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ppiness_Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_obesity_rate

oh, and before anyone objects to my use of wikipedia. Wikipedia is not the source of the data. Each linked article has plenty of citations including the original data sources.

One more thing to add to this list. Other counties use real cane sugar in their coca cola. In the U.S. they use high fructose corn syrup. No bueno!

727C47 08-04-2020 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by Das Auto (Post 3104278)
One more thing to add to this list. Other counties use real cane sugar in their coca cola. In the U.S. they use high fructose corn syrup. No bueno!

yeah man, when I was flying freight during the furlough all the Mideast Coke had real sugar, great stuff, can’t stomach the corn syrup stuff, no bueno indeed.

727C47 08-04-2020 03:00 AM

Let’s also add how Budweiser and all the global breweries absolutely destroy the quality of a beer when they acquire it, I’m still in mourning for Rolling Rock...LOL

Das Auto 08-04-2020 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 3104607)
Let’s also add how Budweiser and all the global breweries absolutely destroy the quality of a beer when they acquire it, I’m still in mourning for Rolling Rock...LOL

isn't it amazing that bud and bud light are two of the best selling beers in the world? It truly is a testament to the power of advertising. I'd rather undergo a strong round of chemotherapy than ingest that nasty stuff. The Germans take 1st prize for the beer category in my opinion. While we're talking history, research the German purity law of 1516.

Apologies for the tread drift, but as this is about NetJets class dates and they're aren't any a beer discussion is more than appropriate!


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