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Shenzi105 07-02-2020 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3083173)
I know the head of training at WN. He's a great dude. Former Delta guy. Lots of cool stories. He'll be the first one to tell you that WN isn't getting the quality of candidate that they used to.

We have a lot of NetJets, Flex, Citation Shares, Options, and random 135 and 91 guys with us. None of that changes the fact that they have the highest failure rate. Period. The guys that do make it through training are generally solid guys. The best guys coming through class though are former regional guys. 91/91k/135 is just a different animal. Lots of cowboys with very, very few SOP's. That just the nature of the beast. It isn't impossible to go from 91/135 to a 121 but it certainly is harder.

such a sadly uneducated post. But... 1st amendment.

eglplt 07-04-2020 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3082963)
Our highest failure rate in training at Spirit is 91/135 background pilots.

Spirit has undoubtedly had the worst training program of all 121 carriers the past few years! I’m not sure if it has improved in recent, but failure rates may not have as much to do with a pilots background as it does with a poorly ran training program!

hdgbug 07-11-2020 07:00 PM

Can someone confirm the current requirement for the maximum distance (non COVID, if applicable) you can live from your assigned domicile?

illinipilot 07-12-2020 01:11 AM

There is no requirement. You simply need to show up at the designated location at the designated time on day one.

AirBear 07-13-2020 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by hdgbug (Post 3090270)
Can someone confirm the current requirement for the maximum distance (non COVID, if applicable) you can live from your assigned domicile?

Something like 94% of the NJA Pilots live within 2 hours of a base. So unless you're out in a remote area of Wyoming or something you should be fine. Longest drive I ever heard of was a dual citizenship pilot who lived with his spouse in a Rocky Mountain Ski town in western Canada. He had about a 4 hour drive to Spokane.

Murdockk 07-16-2020 10:11 AM

Why when I talk to NetJets guys when I run into them, do they look at me sideways when I mention
wanting to make a career at NJ? Is there something bad there that I’m missing? Or just the standard
grass is greener somewhere else?

av8trinabarrel 07-16-2020 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Murdockk (Post 3093069)
Why when I talk to NetJets guys when I run into them, do they look at me sideways when I mention
wanting to make a career at NJ? Is there something bad there that I’m missing? Or just the standard
grass is greener somewhere else?

I left 2.5 years ago for swa. I enjoyed NJ and what it offered. The lack of movement and flying an xls for so long was a huge turnoff and forced me to look elsewhere. Absolutely no regrets all thing considering the current state we all face. NJ was never a bad place in my eyes, but it wasn’t a long term solution either.

GeeWizDriver 07-16-2020 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Murdockk (Post 3093069)
Why when I talk to NetJets guys when I run into them, do they look at me sideways when I mention
wanting to make a career at NJ? Is there something bad there that I’m missing? Or just the standard
grass is greener somewhere else?

It’s a “location joke.” You have to be there to get it...

ASACapt 07-16-2020 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Murdockk (Post 3093069)
Why when I talk to NetJets guys when I run into them, do they look at me sideways when I mention
wanting to make a career at NJ? Is there something bad there that I’m missing? Or just the standard
grass is greener somewhere else?


It all depends on where they are on the seniority list on the reaction. You probably won’t get that funny look from a 20 year captain or soon to upgrade FO. It was taking 13-14 years for guys to upgrade. That’s mostly why you’ll get that reaction.

I was looking to leave until I upgraded to Captain. Now seeing that the majors may furlough, I’m very glad I stayed.

If it’s a FO that’s been on property less than 10 years, then yes you’ll probably get that reaction as to making NetJets a destination.

There’s hardly any movement, no retirement age, and it’s very difficult to determine your Netjets future.

Covid and slowing need for air travel probably just made that light at the end of the tunnel for FOs much dimmer.

Overall, it’s a great company but it’s not for everyone. I enjoy going to work and the people I fly with. It wasn’t always that way. Things have been much better since 2018.


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MinRest 07-16-2020 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Murdockk (Post 3093069)
Why when I talk to NetJets guys when I run into them, do they look at me sideways when I mention
wanting to make a career at NJ? Is there something bad there that I’m missing? Or just the standard
grass is greener somewhere else?

Because a lot of people don’t view NJA as a career job. Lots of people love it, lots don’t. There is a host of reason to choose another career, but there are also a host of reasons to choose NJA. It wasn’t for me so I left, couldn’t be happier with the decision.


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