OnTheMeridian

One of the very few times I agree with Zebraspots on anything.

If they decide to bring you to CMH for discipline, they definitely won't "lure" you in.

You will be notified, most likely by the union, that you're being brought to CMH for *insert issue here*. You will be advised that the union will provide you representation.

And even before the above plays out, you'll most likely be asked to do a captain's report first on whatever may have happened. That'll be your first clue they're looking at whatever happened you should be worried about. If it's about discipline, or potential discipline, the union will be notified by the company practically from the beginning. And so will you. They don't spring disciplinary meetings in CMH on you like your spouse's surprise birthday party they planned for you.

Why the paranoia? Who knows. We likely have a lot of captains who just don't understand how the system works if you're in trouble.

There may be some negative carryover from the past too. Before our current drug testing system was developed, we used to be brought to CMH for the test. They couldn't tell you in advance that you were coming to CMH for the test, so they'd call you up and tell you to come to CMH because the chief pilot wanted to speak with you. Yes, they really did that!! Now THAT would generate a lot of paranoia! I'll never forget the serious stress and worry I'd experience on my drive to CMH (2 hours from CLE where I used to live), only to arrive and be told that no, he didn't need to see me, but would I mind peeing in this cup while I was there. Our union wasn't like it is now back then. They weren't brought into the discipline loop until much later in the process. So yeah, we always thought we were in trouble when told the chief pilot wanted to talk to us.

But it's not like that now. No reason to fear a trip to CMH. Oh, and I enjoy CMH. Very pleasant city.

flyjbh

I would think the bridgeway one arrival would be a CLS from TEB to CMH..........

obiden

If they're paranoid, it's because they know they're probably on the radar for some dumb sh*t they pulled recently or repeatedly. But that isn't why they flew a tail into CMH. NJ has alot of owners in CMH, crews for swap, and obviously mx.

I have zero issues with CMH. Line crew is helpful, crew food reliable, there's the market, hotels are good imo. And only the union guys with the typical "hate mgmt 4-ever" attitude don't like being around HQ. Everyone I've interacted with over the years has been fair to me.

GeeWizDriver

That’s true. But when a Fed is in the box, it frequently makes the instructor or DPE being evaluated go EXTREME anal on everything the crew is doing. May not be a jeopardy event for the crew but it sure is uncomfortable.

Pervis

Very true. But if the crew does something really wrong the instructor will be busted if he doesn’t call the crew out on it.

GeeWizDriver

Also true. But I’m getting a little sick of being corrected for saying “complete” instead of “complete-d”.

Is there a hyphen in “anal retentive”? LOL

Pervis

Amen. Just like engine start right seat needs to say clear where every other call out requiring clearing the area is clear right. That’s what happens when you have cubicle crews setting policy.

MinRest

I mean, there is a standard, and it is pretty easy to evaluate and grade on a standard. No sim event is perfect and we all make mistakes. If the FAA observes an instructor and the student does something wrong, there is levity to allow it. Hell, most of the time the FAA doesn't know what the hell they are looking at and even if they are looking at the students flying, they wouldn't know or probably see an error unless they red screened. I never feel pressure to be harder on students when I am being evaluated. Every company and training department is different but if a student does something I wouldn't let them get away with if the FAA was watching, I wouldn't let them get away with it without them watching me either.

MinRest

Or check versus checked. NJA line checks were like that. Lots of check airmen were downright silly with the way they debriefed line checks. Most school houses wouldn't sweat that stuff at all.

Das Auto

Not really. My experience with 121 training is that all callouts are to read back verbatim. Not a busting item but certainly a debrief. As irritating as it is, If the check airman didn't call out mistakes they wouldn't be doing their jobs. And before you go there, yes, I have 2 check airman letters on my resume.

Just curious, is there anything positive about NetJets? It seeks that nothing is off limits for you. Now even the check airman are "downright silly" in your irrelevant opinion. Its getting old dude. FFS, let it go and move on with your life.