Tell me you don't understand taxation without telling me...

I know ST is a non pilot cubical dweller directed to come on here and spread management untruths, is it possible you are as well? Maybe you two are in reality the same person with different profile accounts? Won’t be long and I’ll have you figured out. The likelihood that you are an ex-line pilot that spends his days in a management cubicle is growing stronger and stronger.

JL is a management lackey who will show up to pilot functions, gather info, and then feed it to management. He thinks his work is going to land him a real management position one day, but the sad reality is, that they are using him which is why he will never be anything beyond an SDP. He is hated by upper management as much as he is hated by the pilot group. Really sad place to be considering he has another 20+ years there.

JL was forced to resign his Phenom SDP position after his outburst to the ATC Ground Controller in KPSP. Goes over to the CL350 and then becomes a SDP again. Then he is again forced to resign after another outburst supposedly.

Yup. The sad reality is the only person who hasn’t figured out what a weak piece of scum JL is, is JL himself. He’s hiding over here now under his alias Zebra for good reason.

I wonder if they delivered the news using ponies and balloons...

Please tell me you know how sell offs work? I think the idiots at the union have put on the notion that somehow the sell offs are costing the company millions. Funny part is, they're actually making money. Say the going rate is 10k per hour. Purely hypothetical. 10k per hour for a highway run. 30k in total, right? EJM does it for 15 and catches up another back home. They made (EJM) 30k and fulfilled their contract obligation for the month. But wait, the NJ owner was billed 30k for the trip. NJ made 15k AND DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT ONE HOUR ON THEIR FLEET OR CYCLES OR ANYTHING. So tell me again how that is even remotely a cut. Wouldn't even call it a flesh wound. Again, numbers are rough. I was a charter broker for many many years and still do it here and there. I know what the game costs. I bought and sold supplemental lift for all of the big players out there. INCLUDING NJ. So tell me again how the death by 1000 cuts is going? We're talking about cat scratches or paper cuts? What's the general feeling if all the pressure being put on AB and the likes got you 1%, how much more is there? Personally, the company has moved on. Told you to kick cans and see you in 29 without telling you that. But keep following and saying all hail Pedro in your sleep. Right into the buzz saw. You need new leadership. The tyrants political and personal stunt has ended in disgrace. If he was a true leader, instead of the troop rally cry colonel he so keenly enjoys being, he'd resign and let the new leadership take over. His ill-advised section 6 tactics clearly havn't and won't work during an IBB.

what else do you expect from a guy with a new $1m Home in Denver and is noted to death. Paycheck to paycheck has to suck making $500k a year. Wonder if the wife is banging the pool boy or is just glad to have him out of the house. Either way, she wins. Carry on JL. Hopefully the staff at the home your family puts you in gives you 4 days a month of personal time.

The reason why we know sell offs are undesirable, is b/c Allen Bobo told us they were undesirable.

Owners don’t like them and complain. The fees are crazy expensive for the company as well. It definitely makes cuts when the company is forced to sell-off a trip.

Therefore, more sell-offs equals more pain. Picking up days helps the company cover trips thereby decreasing sell-offs.

John (Zebra) says it’s a 121 tactic that doesn’t work… then why did the 121 carriers sue to stop the practice? B/c it works.

Not participating in VEDs/VAWDs is just one way, out of a thousand, to give leverage to the union. We need all the leverage we can get.

Anyone who has ever met or talked to Pedro would say that Pedro is nothing like a “tyrant”. Saying he is, is laughable.

I’m not sure you are a pilot at NJ, but if you are, a quick phone call to the “tyrant” himself about your ideas and concerns would go a long way in helping you understand the man and his drive to help the pilots.

Leaders will always have people who disagree with them. Pedro is someone you can actually talk to about your disagreements. He encourages it. Maybe he learns something. Maybe you will too.

If he is a pilot at Netjets, I'm sure LER approved his ongoing charter brokering...

The silence is deafening…..
 

NJASAP billboards are down in CMH. Returned to just normal NJASAP advertisements. Silence from both parties…. Me thinks something is afoot….

Not only that but all the mangers posing as line pilots have been silent here. I guess they were told to stand down.

Well unfortunately, it looks like the company is still resisting paying us. Despite having the funds to do so. This is gonna be an epic busy season with so much enthusiasm from the pilot group (sarcasm).

I agree, I have not seen the NJ message board ore dormant that I have now. CLEARLY someone is advising them to stand down on the chirpping but that may be becasue so much of it was pilot to pilot and they may want to appear more unified.

Or they were outed here....

There is plenty afoot. Management will be getting insane bonuses while much of the pilot group updates their logbooks. We've seen this play out before in the 2017 timeframe but without much of the pilot group looking to leave.

Attrition was pretty high in 2017 and 2018.

Or could it be the baseball stunt gone wrong. Funny how pimp daddy Pedro sold a bill of lies with his counterpart henchman St. Pauli Girl to the MB vocal minority to rile the bases. Yet they forgot to establish facts beforehand. Hence why they're being sued by AB. Oh and the company pulled out of IBI23. As they should. Any pilot group (minority) that acts that way deserves nothing. Exactly what they get. Time for a regime change. The special needs anti-desent board will and needs to be replaced.

.... aaaaand they're back.

Still fantasizing about a coup d'éta of the NJASAP leadership I see..

​​​ Where's that facepalm emoji.....

This company his never averaged losing over one pilot per day since I've been on the property, and that's been a long time.

He's right but with the wrong group. Both AJ and AB run the company worse than AB pitches. They both need to go. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out in the discovery phase of that lawsuit. It's been a while since I've seen a member of management file a lawsuit against his pilots. Maybe trying to put something on the boat dock he's already built.

JMO is obviously a septic tank. Funny thing about septic tanks is although the poop breaks down over time, they're still constantly full of the stuff.

Yea I am not sure what is was back then but I don't think it was quite as high as 1 per day. Too long ago to remember but attrition with pilots of 2 years seniority or less was pretty high too. I think now you have a lot more senior NJA pilots looking to leave.

Nov 1……gone
 

Well, the deadline has come and gone…. Any bets on something before the end of the year.

I’m thinking they will pull a rabbit out of the hat to avoid showing profit sharing numbers…..thoughts?

Considering they don't have to cut a check for EFPP until Jan 2025, I'd bet they're hoping to steamroll the pilots and beat down their morale as much as possible. I've seen/heard what they did to the FA and dispatcher's unions, and something tells me they're aiming to do the same to the pilot's group. As much as I'd like to make this job the one I retire from, if the company doesn't pull its head from it's fourth point of contact, I will be leaving for the Majors.

So what about the email from ML or the NC about how many great strides were made since the LBFO yet they won't disclose the details..... seems fishy. I still don't think many understand how sell-offs work. Most of the union wants the company to fall on its face during peak season. If it does, the EFPP will be all but worthless. By sticking it to the company, you're really sticking it to yourselves and the EFPP you're holding on to so tightly. Serious question, do you think the company loses money on sell-offs? The answer is no. They make, not lose or at worst, break even. That cut scabbed over a long time ago. More scabs than cuts it seems.

I'm still trying to figure out if you're a company stooge without access to union communications or if you're really that ignorant of a line pilot with your head stuck that far in the sand? I'm just a regular line pilot and I have a very good idea of what's going on with negotiations, so you can take your "seems fishy" bull**** and shove it back up your ass. Also, I don't remember bringing up sell-offs at all during my previous comment that you felt compelled to reply to, but since you're bringing it up, I'll go ahead and address it.

1. Mr. and Mrs. Moneybanks pay for shares on XYZ aircraft at Netjets.
2. Netjets is unable to provide lift to Mr. and Mrs. Moneybanks due to (Maintenance availability, Pilot availability, overbooking, take your pick), and purchases supplemental lift from another 135 operator.
3. Netjets cost comparison: Providing lift on a QS tail provides a profit margin of say, 10% (note, not real numbers). Supplemental lift eats that profit margin and potentially eats into the fees charged for monthly maintenance of the account. Netjets effectively admitted to as much when they pushed for the 2.5x LOA.
4. Benefits to Netjets for sell-offs: fewer hours on airframes and possibly allowing maintenance availability to climb. Downsides: Mr. and Mrs. Moneybanks don't receive the same level of service and get upset with Netjets, and money that would be going into Netjets bank accounts and subsequently BH accounts instead goes to another 135 operator.

Yes, I know the above is highly simplified, but I fully understand both the benefits and drawbacks to sell-offs, including the fact that a downturn in the 2024 books for profits results in a reduced EFPP. Here's your/our problem however. The EFPP is a 3 year deal, that's it. After that, there's no guarantee we get it back in another contract or an amendment to this contract. Hell, the Company already wants to withdraw the EFPP. Increased pay needs to be in base wages, and needs to be enough to stop us from being a stepping-stone to the airlines. Almost all of our new hires are planning on getting their turbine time and leaving for the majors. That wouldn't be a big deal if our training pipeline were set up to handle that amount of turnover, but it's not, and is evidenced by the current wait for IOE across almost all fleets. Almost no one is bidding for TR/CA/NRFO positions because at this point, the pay is an insult for the amount of work required, and so the wait continues to go longer and longer for IOE and line checks. Wait, what about FDPP you say? It's great if you're in a good fleet without maintenance issues.

Point being, I'm not buying what you're selling, and neither is the majority of the pilot group. Go peddle your fear-mongering and doubt at Bridgeway instead, and actually be useful for once. My Union Speaks For Me.

The backlog for IOE is so bad the company just cancelled 100 Initials in non-large cabin aircraft. They have been pushback to next spring. What is the poi t of typing pilots when they sit for 4-6 months waiting on IOE. Add to the fact most non- turbine new hire IOE pilots have to go into the additional block of IOE, it takes longer for them to finish which ties up the TR's.

I’m more interested in Pedros cryptic email from the other day.

There is a story behind that one that’s for sure.

United pilot here. Are you guys under the Railway Labor Act (RLA)? If not when can you strike?

Best of luck!

They are under the RLA.

Their contract is not up for Section 6 negotiation for years.

The union and pilot group have supported a IBB process for the last several years, giving the company almost all leverage. The pilots have been voluntarily castrated, and their current CBA discourages solidarity/unified work action because of add-pay provisions. The metal keeps moving...

And then there is their "union"...

Long story, AJ and Uncle Warren are the only happy campers. Along with a group of pilots that successfully know how to suck up.

It's a damn shame...but largely self inflicted -- and those that don't like it are labeled as anti-union outcasts. The only potential salvation is attrition and inability to hire, but those market forces have not yet translated into benefits for the meager and beaten down line pilot of NJA/NJASAP.

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This is perfectly stated.

Thanks for the update and I sincerely wish you guys all the best. My friend in his early 60’s got a CJO with Flex Jet and has an interview with NJ, just trying to figure which is best provided he gets hired at NJ.

umm no it's not. It's complete garbage. The company is under zero obligation to negotiate right now and for many more years, yet they are and keep asking to bring us back to the table. So how exactly is the NJA pilot group powerless and castrated? We knew market forces would force them back to the table long before the contract expired.

The company is under no legal obligation you give you a single thing, which is why NJASAP is spending all its efforts picketing irrelevant sporting events to pretend like they are making meaningful change. You and your fellow pilots gave up all the leverage you had by throwing Section 6 to the wind. It worked for a bit in some ways but to see the pilot group outraged at how little leverage you have is laughable. Management wants you to accept whatever they tell you they are willing to give because that is exactly what the pilot group has accepted for the last several years. The union can **** and moan all they want, but there is still zero leverage the pilot group or the union has right now as your contract isn't amendable. The market holds all the leverage, NJASAP and the pilot group hold zero leverage. Literally, nothing you have done has moved the needle and pressured management. The only thing pressuring management is attrition and the ability to hire, and evidence shows they are okay with both of those things for the time being.

If you think management keeps begging you back to the table like you hold all the face cards, you are lying to yourself and everyone else within earshot of your voice.

And Zero Results…
 

After all of the hotel points donated.....miles walked in circles....airline points donated...etc etc...

NADA........

That only proves what we already know…. Hotel points and airline miles really aren’t worth anything. You could go to a fractional to get points, you could go to an airline to paid.

....and you could go to Walmart and have more leverage.

What's the progress on ML's latest socialistic proposal to take 90% of VFD, VAWD, and FDP worked and spread the wealth to the pilot group? Seems about right, over promise and under deliver and blame the membership for the short comings. Sure. Seems legit. Then his majesty the king said he was only getting started? Yikes. Time for new leadership.

Wouldn't surprise me. He also knows there is nothing he can do about it.

Just throwing it out there for the membership to get all wound up on.

Quick Quick Look over here not over there.

I come back through here every couple of weeks just to observe, and note the dysfunction on these boards, but seeing you bloviating about your ex pilot group yet again , forgive me for dipping my oar in,I'm sorry but you are one" interesting " dude, enjoy Alaska , enjoy your family, your acro, whatever , I think we will be just fine as a pilot group,please get a life,but thank you for your constant concern 😂 ok I'm done, see you in few more months 😎

Oh good gravy. You people really don't have any critical thinking skills, do you? Even if it could happen, the idea is to economically discourage people from picking up extended days. No extended days, wheels come off the wagon almost instantly and company is begging at the door for a deal. Sheesh. It's not that hard.

But it was never a serious proposal. It was designed to make people think just a LITTLE, TINY BIT harder about the choices they're making. The fact that ML could make so many intellectual lightweights lose their mind was just an amusing byproduct.