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Old 09-21-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZebraSpots
10 resigned today alone.
Pipe down JL, The adults are talking. Those 10 left because you're working 11 days extra a month.
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Old 09-21-2023, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JMO127
Pipe down JL, The adults are talking. Those 10 left because you're working 11 days extra a month.

Donít 8 out of 10 pilots work 11 days extra a month?
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Old 09-22-2023, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JMO127
Pipe down JL, The adults are talking. Those 10 left because you're working 11 days extra a month.

Originally Posted by JMO127
Pipe down JL, The adults are talking. Those 10 left because you're working 11 days extra a month.
The poor economy/business management education level, from the appearing-to-be quiet desperate MB group, is astonishing. to think that stopping VAWD/VED will deliver a CBA. As if netjets' owners won't fly on those days. As if operational costs and "accidental" operational costs are not tax write off items. Explains why most of us are just plane drivers and not running successful enterprises, even if we spend our afternoons watching Fox Business before switching back to Tucker.

The other very interesting observation of the level of desperation from a population that was not, and is not, hirable elsewhere, is how short sighted they are in their intent to publicly shame and attack those who pick VAWD, their will to divide the pilot group long term, thinking that they can mend those divide when needed, their illusion that they will win the next vote thanks to the vote of those they have been insulting for the past 6 months is laughable. Their decision to win votes and support by instigating fear onto those that disagree relates to the intellectual level of these well published men on the MB.
Seeing the suggestions to attack Mr. Buffet and Munger represented the best portrait of these lunatics.

I thought dangerous flying, poor training, severe attrition and poor hiring results would solve the problem in the next 2-3 months and help a company negotiate when it doesn't need to? Now, it's all the VAWD's fault?

I thought we were in it for the long term, thought "we are patient", but it appears anger and desperation is growing so fast that some are loosing focus. after trying to sacrifice their youth on the hostel of "its for the cause, shut up", they are now choosing to go hunt for those within their ranks who disagree. Very interesting. Dividing the group further is definitely working. I can only imagine the litigation stories that can pop up from this.
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Old 09-22-2023, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SonnyTuckson
The poor economy/business management education level, from the appearing-to-be quiet desperate MB group, is astonishing. to think that stopping VAWD/VED will deliver a CBA. As if netjets' owners won't fly on those days. As if operational costs and "accidental" operational costs are not tax write off items. Explains why most of us are just plane drivers and not running successful enterprises, even if we spend our afternoons watching Fox Business before switching back to Tucker.

The other very interesting observation of the level of desperation from a population that was not, and is not, hirable elsewhere, is how short sighted they are in their intent to publicly shame and attack those who pick VAWD, their will to divide the pilot group long term, thinking that they can mend those divide when needed, their illusion that they will win the next vote thanks to the vote of those they have been insulting for the past 6 months is laughable. Their decision to win votes and support by instigating fear onto those that disagree relates to the intellectual level of these well published men on the MB.
Seeing the suggestions to attack Mr. Buffet and Munger represented the best portrait of these lunatics.

I thought dangerous flying, poor training, severe attrition and poor hiring results would solve the problem in the next 2-3 months and help a company negotiate when it doesn't need to? Now, it's all the VAWD's fault?

I thought we were in it for the long term, thought "we are patient", but it appears anger and desperation is growing so fast that some are loosing focus. after trying to sacrifice their youth on the hostel of "its for the cause, shut up", they are now choosing to go hunt for those within their ranks who disagree. Very interesting. Dividing the group further is definitely working. I can only imagine the litigation stories that can pop up from this.

Thatís the constant fallback. Shout down the members and when the Negotiating committee is useless, attack VAWDs (which was extended by the union membership..)

Maybe itís time for new leadership. Clearly nothing getting down currently.
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Old 09-22-2023, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SonnyTuckson
The poor economy/business management education level, from the appearing-to-be quiet desperate MB group, is astonishing. to think that stopping VAWD/VED will deliver a CBA. As if netjets' owners won't fly on those days. As if operational costs and "accidental" operational costs are not tax write off items. Explains why most of us are just plane drivers and not running successful enterprises, even if we spend our afternoons watching Fox Business before switching back to Tucker.

The other very interesting observation of the level of desperation from a population that was not, and is not, hirable elsewhere, is how short sighted they are in their intent to publicly shame and attack those who pick VAWD, their will to divide the pilot group long term, thinking that they can mend those divide when needed, their illusion that they will win the next vote thanks to the vote of those they have been insulting for the past 6 months is laughable. Their decision to win votes and support by instigating fear onto those that disagree relates to the intellectual level of these well published men on the MB.
Seeing the suggestions to attack Mr. Buffet and Munger represented the best portrait of these lunatics.

I thought dangerous flying, poor training, severe attrition and poor hiring results would solve the problem in the next 2-3 months and help a company negotiate when it doesn't need to? Now, it's all the VAWD's fault?

I thought we were in it for the long term, thought "we are patient", but it appears anger and desperation is growing so fast that some are loosing focus. after trying to sacrifice their youth on the hostel of "its for the cause, shut up", they are now choosing to go hunt for those within their ranks who disagree. Very interesting. Dividing the group further is definitely working. I can only imagine the litigation stories that can pop up from this.
You think Netjets can sustain the operation without all those pilots plugging the holes? That's cute.

Why do you think they are offering up so many? My fleet alone showed 29 of 31 days available to be picked up in October. Yeah, I'm sure things would be hunky dory if no one picked up those days...... We have only ourselves to blame, and especially those like JL (who is such a coward that he only hides on this forum now) that are actively helping to maintain the status quo.
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Old 09-23-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueridger
You think Netjets can sustain the operation without all those pilots plugging the holes? That's cute.

Why do you think they are offering up so many? My fleet alone showed 29 of 31 days available to be picked up in October. Yeah, I'm sure things would be hunky dory if no one picked up those days...... We have only ourselves to blame, and especially those like JL (who is such a coward that he only hides on this forum now) that are actively helping to maintain the status quo.
Itís nothing new from JL either. Heís been self serving ever since I first heard of him when I was a new hire (his reputation preceded him). He floats back here with multiple usernames to wreak havoc when he gets embarrassed off the NJASAP forum. The cycle repeats and repeats with him. He hopes the airlines all collapse while he works 26 days a month then comes on here to pretend to be on the pilots side of the negotiation table.
Most selfish pilots at least own it. He pretends to be something heís not while everyone can see right through it.

Itís one thing to pick up some VAWDs here and there but if anyone thinks that VAWDs arenít a bandaid to save management from their lack of proper staffing and scheduling, youíre crazier than JL is.
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JMO127
Pipe down JL, The adults are talking. Those 10 left because you're working 11 days extra a month.
LOL. Missed again. Iím not a pro management guy 100%. Iím not a pro union guy 100%. I think youíre both crazy.

Seems to me like the union is looking for scapegoats to blame since theyíve failed to generate the leverage necessary to get this deal over the finish line.

The blame game is alive and well at NJASAP. Letís blame the extenders. Oooooohhhkay.

ďDeath by 1000 cutsĒ actually translates to ďwe donít know what to do so do anythingĒ. Iíve seen better hit accuracy in Battleship the game.

You all had better figure this out or there simply wonít be a NetJets to worry about.
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
Itís nothing new from JL either. Heís been self serving ever since I first heard of him when I was a new hire (his reputation preceded him). He floats back here with multiple usernames to wreak havoc when he gets embarrassed off the NJASAP forum. The cycle repeats and repeats with him. He hopes the airlines all collapse while he works 26 days a month then comes on here to pretend to be on the pilots side of the negotiation table.
Most selfish pilots at least own it. He pretends to be something heís not while everyone can see right through it.

Itís one thing to pick up some VAWDs here and there but if anyone thinks that VAWDs arenít a bandaid to save management from their lack of proper staffing and scheduling, youíre crazier than JL is.

JL is hiding under your bed.
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueridger
You think Netjets can sustain the operation without all those pilots plugging the holes? That's cute.

Why do you think they are offering up so many? My fleet alone showed 29 of 31 days available to be picked up in October. Yeah, I'm sure things would be hunky dory if no one picked up those days...... We have only ourselves to blame, and especially those like JL (who is such a coward that he only hides on this forum now) that are actively helping to maintain the status quo.
This is all speculation, you have absolutely zero data and proof that VAWD help maintain the status quo.Pure speculation from some looking for more crap because things are going nowhere. I can never pick some of those, they have never fell on my schedules, so it's not like it's a vital necessary tool to the company. They help us, flying more than just staying in FBO when subs are carrying the lift. VAWDs are easily replaceable by subs, why do you think they dedicate a full department to that now.
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
Itís one thing to pick up some VAWDs here and there but if anyone thinks that VAWDs arenít a bandaid to save management from their lack of proper staffing and scheduling, youíre crazier than JL is.
exactly............
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