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03-18-2016 | 01:46 PM
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03-18-2016 | 01:47 PM
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The app window will open again soon, not sure when exactly, but keep checking back, you will be able to update it then.
03-18-2016 | 01:49 PM
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Ah, I see. Those 24 Captain slots I think your talking about are to be distributed over the next 4 years per the new contract. I believe 4 will be used this year. That's for Captain upgrades this year.
Unfortunately, those 4 Captain bids will go to previous Captains who had bid down to SIC for the large cabin fleet. Since there is no difference pay for FOs they are bidding back up to Captain.
I understand your point about not foreseeing the future, however based on historical attrition, the current fleet plan, and the company's desire for a 60/40 PIC/SIC ratio (which we haven't attained yet as we are "heavy" on SICs), it appears to me that 10-11 yr FOs are still looking at 5 yrs to upgrade. Then, the downgrade language may kick in if the company hasn't reached its optimal staffing level.
Those hired behind us will be FOs as long or longer... Unless a plan for growth is announced. And the company doesn't appear eager to grow.
As this is near and dear to my heart, you can imagine my depth of understanding on upgrades. I hope I'm wrong, but I am pretty certain of my numbers. The status quo would have to dramatically change for it to be different.
Sorry for the long post, and even more sorry that upgrades will be 10-15 yrs.
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Unfortunately, those 4 Captain bids will go to previous Captains who had bid down to SIC for the large cabin fleet. Since there is no difference pay for FOs they are bidding back up to Captain.
I understand your point about not foreseeing the future, however based on historical attrition, the current fleet plan, and the company's desire for a 60/40 PIC/SIC ratio (which we haven't attained yet as we are "heavy" on SICs), it appears to me that 10-11 yr FOs are still looking at 5 yrs to upgrade. Then, the downgrade language may kick in if the company hasn't reached its optimal staffing level.
Those hired behind us will be FOs as long or longer... Unless a plan for growth is announced. And the company doesn't appear eager to grow.
As this is near and dear to my heart, you can imagine my depth of understanding on upgrades. I hope I'm wrong, but I am pretty certain of my numbers. The status quo would have to dramatically change for it to be different.
Sorry for the long post, and even more sorry that upgrades will be 10-15 yrs.
VR
This is incorrect, the current bid that just came out has 24 captain bids that close 3/22/2016. Where they go to is anyone's guess and yes I am sure it will go previous captains to some extent. I am only pointing out that there is a current bid for 24 captains in various airframes.
03-18-2016 | 02:01 PM
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From the time I got there in 2007 there wasn't a single upgrade for close to 8 years.. The one or two guys left from my class are atleast 400 numbers away at year 9... Even at 50 upgrades a year ( which hasn't happened in a decade) that's still 7-8 years, making upgrades for them 16 yrs best case....
I just don't see how being 20% smaller ,with no intention of growing, will precipitate an increase in upgrade rates.
Unless attrition gets MASSIVE, it will just take a long time. Junior guys need senior 10+year guys to leave, which is tough to do if your mid-late 40's with that much longetivity.
03-19-2016 | 12:19 PM
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For anyone thinking of applying, they should understand that upgrades at NJA are very long. So if they're hoping to make half way decent money it may be a while.
It's better than regional money by not close to what could be made at an airline. I get asked a lot about this from those who have never flown fractional.
03-20-2016 | 06:09 PM
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Interesting caveat to that...one would be MUCH better off heading to a regional instead of this place due to the simple fact that there is definitive career progression there, where there is most definitely none here. We have many FO's who have professed to this fact as they now have zero TPIC time and are therefore stuck in purgatory waiting for their 20+ year upgrade and simply aren't marketable anywhere. Had they gone to a regional in the first place, they'd have been at legacy by now. For a new hire, this is the quintessential dead-end job.
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