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BaronRouge380 01-08-2012 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1114157)
Those who are preparing to interview or start class all I can say is be sharp on your instrument scan!!!

Have you started on the sim?

USMCFLYR 01-08-2012 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1114157)
Those who are preparing to interview or start class all I can say is be sharp on your instrument scan!!!


Originally Posted by BaronRouge380 (Post 1114164)
Have you started on the sim?

Yes - please give a run down of the sim and how things are going when you get a chance.
I've never done P121 training and only have one type rating obtained from a Flight Safety/SimuFlite type of training program, but I was impressed with the training.

USMCFLYR

RU4692 01-08-2012 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1114174)
Yes - please give a run down of the sim and how things are going when you get a chance.
I've never done P121 training and only have one type rating obtained from a Flight Safety/SimuFlite type of training program, but I was impressed with the training.

USMCFLYR

IMO the only difference in 121 training, vs 135 or 91 training, is the specifics of the language and procedures used. i.e. "Flaps Full vs Flaps down or Flaps 39" etc. All of the maneuvers and performance standards are the same.

txflyer007 01-08-2012 03:45 PM

Cruz or anyone else in training right now, can you give us some insight to the sim portion? A friend of mine told me at lakes they would make you do a single engine partial panel NDB approach to mins at max gross, are you guys doing anything like this? Also how has the sim instruction been so for? Again we all appreciate you guys taking the time to answer these questions and give those of us about to start class a heads up.

DirectTo 01-08-2012 04:02 PM

The type ratings I did (through both CAE and FSI) paled in comparison in difficulty compared to the Dash I did through CommutAir. YMMV.

Cruz5350 01-08-2012 05:49 PM

121 verbage is very specific. IE. Speed Checks Flaps 17 Selected and Indicated etc. etc.

Today was day one for me of a frasca sim. It's flying attributes are not the best, but it's really meant for you to hone the calls outs and profiles. The only way to make this is be able to recite all the calls outs and run the profiles verbatim. You're going to need to have the IFR flying skills down to make it through the sim plain and simple. Once we hit the Orlando Flight Safety for the full motion I'm sure are standards will be graded to ATP levels. (Company instructors and evaluators are used at Flight Safety on their equipment) I think so far the sim instruction has been very good and positive. I was non stop sweating my butt off the whole time in there and it really never let up at all. As for approaches; all I did today that was slightly taxing was a single engine ILS. As for the single engine partial panel NDB I'm not sure if we will get that. AFAIK they can't test you on a double failure item. Maybe to try and see how you would perform in the situation?..... Having a good scan is absolutely key right now along with knowing the call outs and profiles cold.

coryk 01-08-2012 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1114319)
121 verbage is very specific. IE. Speed Checks Flaps 17 Selected and Indicated etc. etc.

Today was day one for me of a frasca sim. It's flying attributes are not the best, but it's really meant for you to hone the calls outs and profiles. The only way to make this is be able to recite all the calls outs and run the profiles verbatim. You're going to need to have the IFR flying skills down to make it through the sim plain and simple. Once we hit the Orlando Flight Safety for the full motion I'm sure are standards will be graded to ATP levels. (Company instructors and evaluators are used at Flight Safety on their equipment) I think so far the sim instruction has been very good and positive. I was non stop sweating my butt off the whole time in there and it really never let up all. As for approaches all I did today that was slightly taxing was a single engine ILS. As for the single engine partial panel NDB I'm not sure if we will get that. AFAIK they cant test you on a double failure item. Maybe to try and see how you would perform in the situation?..... Having a good scan is absolutely key right now along with knowing the call outs and profiles cold.

How much instrument time do you have? I can't imagine the guys getting on with 250-350 tt will have much?

Cruz5350 01-08-2012 06:41 PM

The last 100 hours of mine have been nothing been nothing but actual and simulated. From what I can tell it's the folks that don't have much that are having a bit of a harder time.

nancy33 01-08-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by txflyer007 (Post 1114224)
Cruz or anyone else in training right now, can you give us some insight to the sim portion? A friend of mine told me at lakes they would make you do a single engine partial panel NDB approach to mins at max gross, are you guys doing anything like this? Also how has the sim instruction been so for? Again we all appreciate you guys taking the time to answer these questions and give those of us about to start class a heads up.

It sounds rougher than it is once you have done it a couple of times it is easy and will grow on you. If you have a good attitude of I can learn this and are open to new things then you will pass. You might be full of sweat but that is a good thing in the sim.

nancy33 01-08-2012 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by coryk (Post 1114063)
A friend who works there showed me the lines. No shows before 12:20, and finishes after 5:50 (I think). There's only like 10 or so trips in BIL, 1, 2, 3, 4 days. Overnights from 11-20 hours. 4-8 legs a day is the norm. A couple of 1+hr sits in BIL for lunch and dinner as well.

Does anyone know if billings is getting full or what the exact number is in either the Dec or Jan class?


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