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Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1410727)

Ok, I know everyone's up in arms with this ATP-Seminole thing. I did some research:
-As of Aug 1, 2013, everyone needs an ATP (duh, we all know that)
-Silver plans on getting all FOs their ATP in a Seminole at ATP locations (I know many dont care for this, but it is what it is, I honestly couldn't care)
-NPRM proposes all SICs to have an ATP with appropriate type rating
-The NPRM also reads "Requiring an SIC to train to the level of proficiency necessary to obtain a type rating would ensure the SIC has been evaluated to the same standard as the PIC"
-In April, the DOT released a NPRM publish date of 7/26/2013
-The NPRM just left the Office of the Secretary and is now in the Office of Management and Budget (they have 90 days to review and submit a final rule, pushing back the publish date to 7/31/2013...the day before the ATP rule takes effect)
-It seems that although many are strongly against the NPRM, it will in fact get approved, and an ATP and full type rating could be required...

I guess the elephant in the room here is-- will our worthless SIC type ratings suffice to what the FAA calls an "appropriate type rating"? If not, this Seminole thing is a complete waste.

Remember that this is a Notice of Proposed Rule making, that we are 10 weeks away and we still don't have actual guidance, neither do the airlines. They will issue the guidance but the airlines are likely to get a grace period since most airlines are not offering an Unrestricted Type rating and enforcing this proposed rule would cripple the feed.

That's if they don't blame it on not having the staffing due to sequester, budget restrains.

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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1410760)

2) The ATP thing might MIGHT be only a few guys once the company realizes how much money they're going to be spending sending you all to ATP. I'm going to put a couple dimes down that they either change their minds beforehand or within the first couple groups of guys going to ATP.

Thats what im thinking, but there are almost 60 FOs who need an ATP within the next 76 days...they better figure this out soon.

I don't work there but..... is there anything wrong with doing the after start to the line and moving away from the gate (at least 10 feet) to complete ffod checks and the after start below the line?

Probably...

Of course I never move the airplane before the appropriate checklists are completed....

To the line seems to be fine but then when do you finish below the line? Short of pulling off to the side or holding short it seems much more convenient to just do the whole thing at once. I can foresee people forgetting to do it or being in a huge rush and missing certain steps.

All the captains in my base complete it before the aircraft moves and I feel like its a good idea. Seems to be the way they did it at Colgan and they're all smart guys.

I see it as "above the line" is must-do items before movement (Ext power removed, transponder set, hydraulic panel check for steering, cabin ready for taxi, emerg lights armed). I guess the rest is stuff that can be done after, especially after FFOD checks (can't set CTOT, autocoarsen, and ice protection until after checks are complete)... during the winter, we made sure to do "above the line" then leave the gate to do checks only so the rampers could go inside and warm up

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Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1410907)

True, but there are several items below the line that are heads down for the crew and I would rather do those sitting at the gate rather than trying to do that taxiing out in ATL.

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Originally Posted by ctab5060X (Post 1410914)

True, but there are several items below the line that are heads down for the crew and I would rather do those sitting at the gate rather than trying to do that taxiing out in ATL.

Definitely, wasn't implying below the line gets done while moving. We usually do above the line, pull out, first flight checks, below the line, then taxi to runway, in which case you can start getting paid per TAMDAR requirements...Otherwise it's all the way before taxiing.

^ Agree with you big time on this one.