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Old 08-17-2013, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros View Post
I'm not shedding a single tear for Great Lakes until it pays its workers a fair wage.
And I do not think anyone will. I am actually laughing...
They'd rather disappear than improve pilots' condition.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:46 PM
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How much would Great Lakes have to increase their pilot pay to attract pilots with 1500 hours?

Great Lakes has always hired people with half the time that places like SkyWest did. Now that that is not possible, what can they do? They can't and won't pay equal to or better than SkyWest, so whats a company to do? The only real draw is ultra fast upgrade, currently about a year or a little less.

Great Lakes is never going to pay competitive wages, so are they doomed, or will they rely on hiring guys that blow the interview at SkyWest, Eagle, and RAH?

Just wondering...
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:08 PM
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Plenty of other countries fly 1900s and 208s.. How about charging enough for a ticket for the luxury of flying to a remote place.. And pay the pilots enough to keep them around?
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:37 PM
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Plenty of other countries fly 1900s and 208s.. How about charging enough for a ticket for the luxury of flying to a remote place.. And pay the pilots enough to keep them around?
Absolutely not. According to our government, flying is a right. Not only is it a right, but the fares have be dirt cheap. Profitability is not relevant. The general public is entitled to cheap fares supplied off the backs of labor. How dare airlines merge and attempt to end the instability of the industry.
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The seats must be completely removed.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
How much would Great Lakes have to increase their pilot pay to attract pilots with 1500 hours?

Great Lakes has always hired people with half the time that places like SkyWest did. Now that that is not possible, what can they do? They can't and won't pay equal to or better than SkyWest, so whats a company to do? The only real draw is ultra fast upgrade, currently about a year or a little less.

Great Lakes is never going to pay competitive wages, so are they doomed, or will they rely on hiring guys that blow the interview at SkyWest, Eagle, and RAH?

Just wondering...
It's not that they can't pay what SkyWest or GoJets pays. The industry has changed and their management is failing to react to the changes quickly enough, even though they have seen it coming for what...a few years now? They can't even retain their pilots who have more than 1500 hours. They need to raise their wages. They need to stop treating their pilots like red-headed step-children. They need to start paying for training. They need to settle their contract with their pilots' union. They need to start kissing some serious pilot a$$ or their business is going to be in serious trouble- and they're already having a bad 2013 (financially) already.

If they can't or won't do the above, then their company will have to shrink and/or die. Fielder's choice on that one.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
How much would Great Lakes have to increase their pilot pay to attract pilots with 1500 hours?

Great Lakes has always hired people with half the time that places like SkyWest did. Now that that is not possible, what can they do? They can't and won't pay equal to or better than SkyWest, so whats a company to do? The only real draw is ultra fast upgrade, currently about a year or a little less.

Great Lakes is never going to pay competitive wages, so are they doomed, or will they rely on hiring guys that blow the interview at SkyWest, Eagle, and RAH?

Just wondering...
Is it the pay or the promise of an upgrade in 12 months to get that PIC turbine time. However, if the majors really DO start hiring people without PIC turbine time, than Lakes is royally screwed. Unless you REALLY want that ISN or FMN domicile, I cant think of any draw.

At first I thought that maybe the quick upgrade, even without PIC time, would give you better pay than life regional FO. Nope. I actually make the same as a EMB120 captain as -145 FO until their 9th year. I already make more as a 3rd year FO than ANY -1900 captain there.
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Absolutely not. According to our government, flying is a right. Not only is it a right, but the fares have be dirt cheap. Profitability is not relevant. The general public is entitled to cheap fares supplied off the backs of labor. How dare airlines merge and attempt to end the instability of the industry.

This is without a doubt the BEST post I've ever seen on these forums.....and I'm not being a wise ass. What I wouldn't give to have people realize this truth.
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How about charging enough for a ticket for the luxury of flying to a remote place.. And pay the pilots enough to keep them around?
If GLA destinations could support higher ticket prices, they wouldn't be EAS cities in the first place.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:20 PM
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does any body know if it is possible to commute from la or do they require their pilots to live at the base?
also their website shows 750 hours total time required are they already approved for the 135 ?????
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