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From: Flying a desk
Mins are more or less flexible based on need. For example if management needs pilots who can upgrade fast the mins are actually 1000+ if they are looking for SICs who will be SIC for a little bit mins may be lowered to 700 or in some cases I’ve seen a few get hired around 600.
#12
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Ah so no forced upgrades? Totally there is zero commitment if you come in and leave as sic? And If you do chose to upgrade it’s only a year obligation from the upgrade time?
#13
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From: Whale FO
We had a couple of guys come and leave as SICs, no harm no foul.
#14
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So the guy on the first page says the contract starts on day 1 as a SIC. So if I’m reading this correctly, you don’t need to upgrade and can leave without a contract obligation?
#15
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From: Whale FO
The new contract is different than what I signed, so I'm not 100% sure. The way I understand it is, that if you don't upgrade within 90 days of meeting 135 IFR PIC requirements, then you are free to go. But [MENTION=64698]MaxMar[/MENTION] knows the new contract better than I do.
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The new contract is different than what I signed, so I'm not 100% sure. The way I understand it is, that if you don't upgrade within 90 days of meeting 135 IFR PIC requirements, then you are free to go. But [MENTION=64698]MaxMar[/MENTION] knows the new contract better than I do.
#17
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if you aren’t in class within 90 days of 135.243 you’re off the hook
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
#18
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From: Whale FO
After clarifying with management, the upgrade under the contract I discribed is compulsory. As it’s written, if you choose not to upgrade you’d still be on the hook. I should also clarify my original statement
Is incorrect...that’s only if you are not *offered* the opportunity to upgrade. Offered being defined as a written letter informing you they want to upgrade you.
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
Is incorrect...that’s only if you are not *offered* the opportunity to upgrade. Offered being defined as a written letter informing you they want to upgrade you.
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
I doubt that contract would hold it court though. That's way beyond unconscionable.
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