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11-04-2018, 03:36 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Mike400
Great write up, thank you. What are competitive minimums? The website shows 900TT, but are they more lenient if you already live close to a NE base?
11-04-2018, 09:29 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by dera
For people who chose not to upgrade (and those who were chosen not to...), the contract is null and void. There were people who were happy to fly as an SIC until 1500, no harm no foul to them.
11-04-2018, 12:29 PM
#13
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Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by CFI41500
Ah so no forced upgrades? Totally there is zero commitment if you come in and leave as sic? And If you do chose to upgrade it’s only a year obligation from the upgrade time?
We had a couple of guys come and leave as SICs, no harm no foul.
11-04-2018, 02:39 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by dera
No-one is getting forced to upgrade here.
We had a couple of guys come and leave as SICs, no harm no foul.
We had a couple of guys come and leave as SICs, no harm no foul.
11-04-2018, 03:37 PM
#15
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Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by Flyhigh728
So the guy on the first page says the contract starts on day 1 as a SIC. So if I’m reading this correctly, you don’t need to upgrade and can leave without a contract obligation?
11-05-2018, 03:11 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by dera
The new contract is different than what I signed, so I'm not 100% sure. The way I understand it is, that if you don't upgrade within 90 days of meeting 135 IFR PIC requirements, then you are free to go. But knows the new contract better than I do.
11-10-2018, 08:25 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by CFI41500
So the contract is really for 1 year as PIC? What if you don’t upgrade within 90 hours of your mins.... do you have a choice to not upgrade or are you going to be stuck in the contract regardless when you get hired as SIC?
if you aren’t in class within 90 days of 135.243 you’re off the hook
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
11-10-2018, 02:24 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by MaxMar
After clarifying with management, the upgrade under the contract I discribed is compulsory. As it’s written, if you choose not to upgrade you’d still be on the hook. I should also clarify my original statement
Is incorrect...that’s only if you are not *offered* the opportunity to upgrade. Offered being defined as a written letter informing you they want to upgrade you.
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
Is incorrect...that’s only if you are not *offered* the opportunity to upgrade. Offered being defined as a written letter informing you they want to upgrade you.
In regards to enforceability and how passionate TW is in pursuing the contract is beyond me. I don’t get the vibe that management are unreasonable people, I think they’d be open to negotiation in the right circumstances. ‘Right circumstances’ probably not being jumping ship for a regional.
I doubt that contract would hold it court though. That's way beyond unconscionable.
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