Thinking of the “Whole person” concept, I am curious how much intangibles generate interest in a candidate when/if they don’t meet all the requirements, or if not at all. No type rating, not enough hours, etc.

Intangiables like, previous military leadership, age, maturity, decision making skills/capacity. etc. I understand this industry is driven by insurance, at it all could be a moot point.

 

Intangibles become a factor at the point of the interview in my opinion. A good cover/intro letter can go along way at grabbing their attention with specifics that may not be required under the category of minimums.

The “minimums” are the elements (TT, PIC, type rating required versus preferred) a company uses to set parameters for the app pool. Without that unqualified applicants would flood the system.

It’s only when those parameters have been met and an interview is granted are the “intangibles” on display…if the applicant can articulate those during the interview.

That is what most applicants miss out on during those 40-60 mins of talking with the interviewers is highlighting those personal intangibles that would make them a good fit for the company and why they should be hired.

If one fails to “sell oneself” properly and simply views the interviews as time to answer TMAAT story or impress them with your technical knowledge about an airplane or flying, then that is all they have to assess if you will be a good fit.

That is where most TBNT replies are generated from IMHO.

This skill of selling oneself effectively takes practice for most of us and that includes most pilots I have found…some have natural interview skills, others are as dry as a stone and reply “this is who I am” or “”if they don’t want the “real me” then screw ‘em” if they don’t get selected.

Pride gets in the way many times and there is plenty of that among pilots.

These type of “intangibles”, are the one’s a company doesn’t want, and fortunately for the employer come out during those sessions.

The applicant thinks they made a connection but can’t look in the mirror and understand how they have come off to others or as George Costanza said “it’s not you, it’s me” but no pilot ever thinks it is “me”.

However it doesn’t mean that applicant is a bad person or not a highly qualified pilot. The chemistry wasn’t there and that’s not an indictment of any company or person…it’s just a business decision to not hire someone. Learn from it.

Doesn’t mean you can’t apply again after a year and it might click the next time, particularly if you have enhanced your resume with additional ratings or seat positions, hours, etc.

Saw it happen hundreds of times at SWA.

One intangible that becomes obvious the next time to the company is persistence, respect for the company you are applying for and real desire to work there (even after facing rejection) and continued pursuit of being a professional aviator.

That failure becomes a part of your backstory and DNA to share at the next interview, if you choose to try again.

Yes intangibles are important but knowing what intangibles a company is looking for and then highlighting those for the interview is key.

my $.02 drivel

 

Chase….thank you for the 2C, I think it was much more valuable than that. The hardest part is just getting to the interview in order to showcase those traits. again, thank you for taking the time.

 

That would appear to the most difficult I would agree. However if one is not selected, one must deal with that disappointment and howl e does that can be even more daunting.

Those who are chosen don’t have to worry built those who aren’t have to decide do I keep Baker or any company on one’s radar if they have been rejected.

if it is a place that one really wants to work at, that makes for a strong case to stay engaged and keep working to improve.

Talk to more of the Baker pilots,

find out if Baker will be at job fairs in ‘26 (we will be attending more) and cost their booth

Meet Personally with Baker pilots when the opportunities present itself

or one can scratch Baker off your interested list and ignore them, no worries.

You don’t want to be like a few former employees or those who aren’t invited to join Baker shifting to the “dark side” and make reckless claims…just a suggestion.

Good luck in your aviation career no matter which way you go. Fly safe

 

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find out if Baker will be at job fairs in ‘26 (we will be attending more) and cost their booth

Meet Personally with Baker pilots when the opportunities present itself
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do you know if Baker will be attending any, do they keep a list of planned events on their site? I have looked around a few different times, but maybe I just haven't seen where it is.

I just got done looking into NGPA since it is next up on the list. I am not too terribly interested in regional/legacy airlines, but it seems there aren’t many fractional/corporate entities that show up to them.

 

So to recap you posted this operating account appearing to be 00220005033371 and then also the bank it's at (First Horizon) which would be easy enough to find the routing number on on the interwebs? Why would you possibly do that? And then have chase in what appears to be drunk or hungover word vomit. Lol jeez.

 

This was the quote that started the thread:

”Looks like it's true, company is orchestrating a pump due to lack of money to pay the bills. Just look at this forum as your best example of nonstop posts, word I'm hearing from previous maintenance coworkers is that they missed payroll this week”

Do you have any facts to back up this statement and refute what has been posted by those inside the company?

Pls post those facts here.

Spreadsheet talk to the untrained can be a challenge, obviously the mess on aisle one you described was self generated, reading comprehension for many is a challenge…blame the public schools!

Take 2 aspirins and step away from the computer, you will feel better.

Bottom line

1. Everyone got paid on Friday and Baker has never missed a payroll in my 3.5 yrs here

2. Banks don’t loan money for 20 Challengers unless you can prove one’s underlying fiscal strength. See article below

https://www.corporatejetinvestor.com/news/baker-aviation-acquires-20-challenger-300-aircraft/

3. The facts are not on your side except for one:

A You struggled to keep up at Baker and as a result were let go. No worries, Baker wasn’t a good fit for you…find another job that allows you to work at the pace and amount you can handle and life will be much better. Put Baker in the rear view mirror and press on with your life…or

B. Be a hater and not get over it.

You are not affecting change at Baker and only drowning in self-pity…man up and move on bro.

 

jeez dude, give it a rest. Payroll was on time and accurate and honestly, more than I’ve ever made in a single pay period in the 20 years I’ve flown corporate aviation. I’ll take Baker for the win and look forward to more winning in the months/years to come.

 

How does one get fired from a hate group for being too hateful?

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/local...hobic-2816552/

 

Drifted off target slightly have we Danny? No humble pie to offer to the readers/lurkers?

Simply saying one is wrong is not a bad thing, shows you recognize the truth.

Speaking of the truth:

One gets “fired” for speaking the truth my friend…I spoke before groups since 2013 about the differences in Islamic worldviews compared to the Western/Christian worldviews and the current clashes we see around us that merely mimic the history of Islam since Mu’ birth in 570. Loads of groups did like what I and others were saying, didn’t make it not true. 👍 Q10 yrs later I and supporters stand validated.

I also serve on the Board of two nonprofits (Radical Truth and Reach, Teach Love)that teach Christians how to witness to Muslims …nearly 10 yrs later the prophetic nature of what I and others were warning about is even more in the news.

The battle between the different worldviews of Islam and Christianity is a spiritual battle and won’t be completely fixed by politicians, military action..bandaids to the problem can be applied but a full up fix can only be accomplished with a change of heart in the hearts of man by the Holy Spirit. (off soap box).

Speaking the truth puts a target on your back but I’m comfortable with the truth because 1600 years of Islam has proven the warnings of many to be very true.

However, spreading lies on forums just makes you look foolish my friend.

Let’s move back to the topic but if you wish to go down this rabbit hole, this will my last reply on the thread. Not relevant to aviation or to the lurkers Cheers.