exactly. No one looks at what that guy that made it had already flown previously. Could have been military or even already flown at a regional but was furloughed.

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There are a few of them on the list with hire dates in the 90's. It's a fun job for a year or so, but 15+ years of either 14 hour duty days or gone every night(outstation runs) 5 days a week with a 7-8 hour "half day" on Saturday? For a MAX pay under 80K base? *shudder*


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From a management standpoint, to keep feeding Kool-Aid to new hires, it would be counter intuitive to tell them that the majority of people that have left to to a mainline or a major had more relevant prior experience. It has been one of my bigger gripes about AMF. There are lots of promising jobs that are very lucrative, that AMF shadows with false promises with SWA and the top 3, when there are some great charter, fractional and corporate jobs that can be had right out of AMF. Sure you can go to Frontier (no offense to friends that are there) but aside from the A320 type, it might be the worst pax flying scheduled airline when compared to the rest.

You get it.

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The way I looked at it, I do the AMF thing for a while. They put me into a 99 with 1500TT and 74 hours of multi when I applied. (if that tells you anything about the shambles feeder cargo is currently in) In a year and a half, I'll have over 1000 multi TPIC which qualifies me for just about any King Air charter gig out there. Also, there are overseas jobs available as I've had a clearance before. I firmly agree that going AMF-Delta/AA/SWA is a bit of a stretch, but it does open the door to a bunch of other non-121 jobs which can be fine careers in their own way. It's great to have options, and some of those other jobs you get after AMF could lead to a major. I've heard of netjets guys getting in at legacies. Bottom line is I didn't want to end up as a furloughed FO with no TPIC time. Chances are I would be right back to instructing.

For what it is (Turbine and ME time builder) it's a fine gig. It's not a long term job. Yea, aspects of it suck. Anyone that would have you believe otherwise is full of it. I'm sure glad I'm doing it though because it's making me a much better pilot.


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Ted Ted Ted. Are lying to kids on the internet again?
Many were furloughed from training in 2010. No more pay check, no job to go back to and some already broke their leases with nowhere to live.

Bingo. Happened in early 2011 too.

Weren't those the days! Currently even the most senior guys are getting their vacation canceled due to staffing issues. It will be interesting to see where feeder cargo is in a year.


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If you are in Dallas/Fort Worth and are planning to go to the Alliance Air Show this weekend, stop by. We will have a booth set up with recruiters and management from Flight, Ops and Mx. Look for the metro with the Texas tail.

Anyone have any idea how long the upgrade to a turbine is in PHX? ive talked to pilots who say theyre desperate for pilots in the 99 and 1900, yet recruiters say they dont have any spots open

Buddy of mine started on the PA31 at PHX last June, upgraded to the 99 in March, upgraded to the 1900 last month.

i know exactly who youre talking about. i talked to him last week, but he didn't know much about what was going on. was hoping anyone else had more up to date info.

What times/quals was he/she hired with?

Pt 135 IFR mins will get you a class date.


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can't find any info from their website. No FAQ, no minimum, new website is pretty frustrating when it comes to understanding pilot careers

Not everyone is looking to make a move to the big 3. Everything is not rainbows and unicorns at those places either.

My worst day at Allegiant was still better than a lot of days at AMF. I'll never trade the experience, flying, or friends I made there for anything.

Minimums is easy. FAR Part 135. The only thing that doesn't cover on flight times is the E120 FOs. There we are looking for 800-900 TT with at least 50 ME.

Pilot careers? I'll bite.

Wake up at 4, show at 5. Wait an hour or 3 for UPS. Fly an hour or 2. Layover for 5-9 hours. Show at plane, wait for cargo. Load cargo, fly home. Go home and show up in time to kiss the kids and wife goodnight. Eat reheated dinner. Go to bed for 6 hours. Wash and repeat daily. 7th day off sleep half the day as you are exhausted. Do your logbook, curse at how slow the hours are adding up. Look at your Facebook and see your friends who didn't choose aviation spending time with their kids. Notice they aren't broke either. Update resume for the 3rd time this month. Hope your wife doesn't leave you to go live with her mom because you live in the ghetto and are unable to provide a safe secure environment for your family. Check your EBT card and go get ramen noodles and ragu sauce from Winco for lunch this week. Go to bed at 8 on Sun night.

80% of the time it sucks. 15% of the time it's an alright job. 5% is awesome. That being said, it's great experience, you get TPIC, and put AMF on your resume. Whether you will be better off than your buddies at a regional, only time will tell.


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That's assuming you are based in station. If you are out-stationed, its completely different (in many ways worse).

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I'm out stationed, but I figured I'd give an in station view since that's most of the runs. Some out stations are pretty cool, but mine I'm the guy that gets tagged with fixing all the UPS missorts. Also, training eats into my time at home. A good bit of the time I'm home with my wife from noon to 4:30. She's pretty much had it, we are going to get a change of venue soon though. It's been a good experience, I'm glad I did it, but I'll be happy when I move on.




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Thank you guys for the info :D

I actually liked being outstationed based as well, but many people don't.

That's my point. Why not appeal and promote realistic progression do, AMF instead of selling unicorns...

Allegiant is a great partner for somebody like AMF, it is a wonderful stepping stone to the career airline. Problem is, since their "agreement" not a single guy from AMF has been hired.

Nahh that's not true. They have taken 3 that I know of in the last month or two and only one of those was through the agreement.

And one more is leaving this week to go there.

Ok now the number is 1 through the agreement. Because for the last 11 months it was 0.

I know personally of two. And I don't know everyone who is gone. So your argument is losing steam.

What do you want? 5 per month? We don't have that many that even qualify. And not all of the ones that DO qualify want to go that route. Several that could have went to DPJ or TMC instead.

Why would anyone go to DPJ and TMC instead of Allegiant right now? If the agreement truly works between Allegiant and AMF, that would be a more viable and lucritive option in both cases. DPJ and TMC are absolute garbage, Allegiant is at least narrow body 121 time with a half way decent upgrade and pay (even though it is a far cry from a top tier carrier.

And if you are trying to tell me that the amount of people qualified to participate in the Allegiant agreement is small, you are crazy. How many training captain or check airmen with 1000 TPIC and 3 years in the company have come and gone in the year this has been in effect? I bet it's 50. I also know of 3 guys personally that have tried and tried to get their packets submitted, to only hear crickets. I am not talking about guys getting hired outside of the agreement with AMF, I am strictly talking about going through AMF to get hired at Allegiant.

There are a lot of crickets of late. Communication from the head shed is pretty much nil with regards to anything. Except for those "welcome this person you will never meet to the team!" Emails. However I did just get an email saying we are now paying 40 units of training pay for trainees...


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I also heard guys are negotiating their pay coming in now.

I heard this too. Maybe I could get an upgrade and pay bump if I quit and reapplied? We already charter out a number of runs for our own lack of staffing. It makes those sunny emails from management ring pretty hollow.


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Don't worry about pay. Allegiant will hire you ;)

So you can work for a company just like Ameriflight, except with jets!:D

And more $$. I'm so tired of being broke.


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Lots of better paying jobs out there. Get your time, enjoy it, then leave for greener pastures.

I don't have an answer. I just know they did.

Different people have different goals out of their careers.

Does everyone have to justify their decisions with you Jetlife?

Did I say that?

I definitely comes off that way.

Nope. Glad we got that cleared up.