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So which one is it scooter? Is this poor guy gonna get his upgrade to MIA in a reasonable amount of time or not? Talking to him you say 300 hours (about 6 months of flying on a lot of 99 runs) and you can upgrade to MIA and a metro, and then just a couple posts later you say it takes longer than 6 months to upgrade. How much longer? A year, 18 months?

So here you have this guy making a career decision based upon folks telling him his potential upgrade time is significantly under a year. The SAME thing happened to me. I was told i would have opportunities to bid what my family needed, and that didn't happen. It wasn't my logbook times or my qualifications, I was a training captain, no failed checkrides etc. No responses on my requests, either positive or negative. My emails, phone calls, and requests went largely into a black hole. So I quit at 11 months with the company. Had management at least given me the dignity of a response to my requests, I most likely would still be flying Amazon boxes full of junk. If it wasn't a crap place to work your employees might stick around. Try not answering your supervisors phone calls, texts or emails for a month and see if you don't get fired. Why shouldn't it work the other way?

I apologize for "trolling" this thread by trying to insert a little bit of honesty. Ameriflight doesn't give a damn about its pilots outside of them being bags of meat which take their cargo from point A to point B. I'm still waiting for my pay issue from November to be resolved. That's how much they care. Potential new hires deserve to hear that side of the story.


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Smart kid. It'll happen eventually, but I wouldn't count on any sort of timeline.


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And a lot of 99 runs don't get 50 hour per month. Which is why I prefer to talk hours and not months. I can't tell someone I have never met that he will be able to move from where he is when he gets here to transitioning into a metro (or any other plane) in a certain amount of time. I have seen that done in the past and then the pilot himself doesn't have the skills to go that quick and then it becomes our fault that he doesn't upgrade. I'm not saying this pilot doesn't but I just don't know.

You gripe about being sold a bill of goods. I try not to do that. I will always try to give the most accurate information that I have, based on my experience both as a pilot and with the time I have spent at AMF. If that doesn't agree with your take, please don't imply that I'm a liar.

And I do the same. I was there, been there, done that. I know what my corner of AMF was like; it sucked. Good experience, PIC time and move on sooner rather than later. Good riddance. I know and stay in contact with a half dozen folks who's experiences mirror mine, all of who's (often brief) time at AMF qualified them for bigger and better things.

And I won't insinuate you are a liar so long as you don't try to devalue my opinion by labeling me as a troll. I have just as much of a right to my opinion as you do, and just as much of a right to voice it. I just have (what I assume) higher career aspirations than you do, so I didn't stay in the suck any longer than was required to increase my income and quality of life somewhere else.

I've never told folks not to work there, I've just cautioned them buyer beware, and that after 500 hours of PIC turbine time they can make double AMF pay with a little networking and some personality. Both of which are true, so why are you so defensive?


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hey guys, maybe I opened up a can of worms here...

I just wanted to thank all of you for your help in making my decision, as of this afternoon I did indeed accept the offer they gave me for the Salt Lake 99 position, and my class date is Mar 14. I took all of your advice to heart, and both positive and negative experiences described assisted me in making my final decision. due to the lack of training contract and relatively low risk to join and moderate pay, I think even if it's a mistake, it cant hurt to try, especially compared to the joke 135 i'm stuck in now.

Thank you all again, and hopefully we'll meet on the line

Cheers

Congrats! Whether your experience is good or bad you will be a better pilot for it; I'm still glad I did some time there. I am surprised there was no training contract, though I do know a metro guy hired last fall that never signed one either. Free ATP and a type for him.

Best of luck!


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Congrats! As LRS has pointed out, results here greatly vary. Luckily my experiences at the SLC base have been pretty sweet... Home every night and spend your days flying through the mountains.

by the way, how's the skiing down in Salt Lake?

SLC is a fairly good base. That being said you will leave for the regionals in 6 months lol.

Don't listen to ANYONE who uses the phrase "home every night" at Ameriflight...

Well if the company was willing to treat pilots like human beings, they would probably stay. It isn't like they are taking that "valuable" Metro type and leaving for another Metro job. Smart pilots wise up quick and realize they were sold some white lies and the QOL isn't worth staying for. I mean you might be shocked, but nobody else is.

There are multiple resorts in the area with a good amount of snow this year, and you will have a bunch of coworkers who ski as well.

Also, SUN and JAC are BE99 outstations with ski resorts, they also have company apartments, so you can leave some equipment there if you go frequently.

Because, obviously, you don't get home every night?:rolleyes:

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I guess you never got the "hey you, your going to _____ for a few weeks" TDY? Our base had TDY folks all the time who were voluntold to come to our base for several weeks at a time. Usually covering runs because someone called out sick or quit. They were gone from their families for in cases weeks at a time. What about the TDY folks who were covering runs away from family over the holidays?

But because it never happened to you it obviously never happened to anyone else. You are either deluded or actively promoting a false version of AMF life. Maybe life is perfect at your base and you really don't know any better.


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You are accusing me of doing the exact thing you are doing: taking your experience and applying it to everyone at AMF.

And no, where he is going hasn't been a TDY exporting base for a while now.

Seriously, I didn't even comment on whether the schedule was desirable or not, just put out the facts. I figured both of you would chime in to make sure the negative side was represented. All I have to do is fact check you guys when you go overboard with outdated information like 34k a year pay and what life was like in OAK during the depths of the recession.

the skiing sounds great in Salt Lake, but more importantly, how are the girls?

It's a different company in lots of ways. So I don't comment on what my time was like there, as if a new hire should expect it. That being said, people are leaving in droves, many leaving within their training agreements. AMF booths at job fairs look like ghost towns, and classes aren't being filled. So if you want to give facts, make sure you give both sides of the facts.

I'd love some no BS numbers on staffing, attrition, and class size. For personal amusement.


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Well, seeing random management using their FB pages as job boards, and having multiple people comment on their booth at NGPA, I would say hiring is in full desperation mode.

That's the impression I get too. There weren't a lot of new trainees coming out the sims when I threw in the towel in Nov either. They are pushing the social media hard. But that was a part of their giant plan they emailed us about late last fall.


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Don't pretend like you give "both sides." This forum is far more negative, and fact checking the bashers is considered the positive side.

There are a variety from nice girls to settle down with to skibums that you can party with on the weekends. If you are into the latter, you'd probably prefer to stay in Salt Lake County.

Well there isn't much positive when you look at other career path avenues. You're 100% right that most of what I say is negative. That was my experience, I didn't have a positive experience. I have given what I experienced and lots of people have experienced the same.

Maybe I swing the to the worst case scenarios in an effort for people to see what they could potentially face. Far too many people go to AMF and leave earlier than expected and disgruntled. A perfect example of that is how everyone is told they will be home every night. Maybe people don't consider being home from 8pm to 415am quality nights at home. Not everyone gets the run that starts at 10am and gets home at 4pm 4 days a week. There are lots of half truths spilled out by management on this site and other places. And there is a correlation between that and the bleeding of employees each month.

lol own nav, my attempt to lighten the mood appears to have been unsuccessful

I'd like to know who is telling candidates they will be home every night. I know our previous recruiting director would always describe a BUR bank run which was daytime flying, M-F, and then they would get to Dallas and find out they were flying every Saturday morning. Used to tick me off when I had to break that news to them.

I thought I had broken the current recruiters of that. And I know they have asked me about specific runs I am familiar with to be able to give the folks they call a more realistic idea of what to expect.

And I don't know ANYONE who gets the 10AM to 4PM, 4 day a week run. I don't think that run even exists.

Point taken, considered. I just really didn't want to get into the whole religious polarity of the region, so I suppose I was bracing for impact on that one.

I'm just not seeing it. Again, current information available here. My base is filling up with pilots. We've bottomed out and we are on the rebound. I'm inclined to believe that at least part of it has something to do with the season. I didn't really want to learn single pilot hard winter operations while getting used to a twin turbo prop simultaneously when I was first hired either.

Add to that, the equation has seriously changed for senior pilots. If we had a hard time justifying leaving before the pay raises, it is even harder to justify after getting 20-30k extra per year.

The same people telling potential new hires that they will be home every night is the same one that says AMF is the largest 135 operator....

I haven't found anything relating to this question, but I apologize if it's been answered already.

I've been offered a position flying the 99 out of Buffalo. Does anyone know what the daily run/schedule is like out of buffalo? Thanks in advance!

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Hi all.
810 TT 50 ME
I did a phone interview a couple of weeks back for the First Officer EMB-120 opening. So far haven't heard anything which I take to be not a good sign. I hope to speak with the Ameriflight recruiters at the upcoming NW Aviation Conference Career Forum here in Washington State on 2/19 they are schedule to attend.

Any suggestions or advice?

Thanks

By all means keep applying, but if it doesn't work out and you want a 135 VFR job for the summer that will get you some hours in a hurry send me a PM, I know a chief pilot looking for résumés in WA.


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What LRSRanger said. I flew for them as well and they will definitely keep you busy. Did you also apply to Kenmore Express? They have an F/O program for their Caravans.

The 99 run in BUF is reserve part of the week and on other days operates for one of our "glow flight" (radioactive pharmaceuticals) customers. You may go up to Ontario Canada then Bedford MA or over to St Louis and CVG and back. It gets some pretty good flight time.

I know we hired 4 E120 FO in our January class, so we may just have filled all of the available slots right now. Like LRS said, just keep updating your app and keep in contact with recruiting. And keep building your hours. I know we will need more FOs in the future. We have two that just transitioned to the BE99 after hitting their 1200 hour mark and one who left because he realized he didn't like flying on the back side of the clock. It's not for everyone. Some, not even for a short time to move ahead.

I don't see on Kenmore airs web site the FO openings but they are also going to be at the NW Aviation conference forum this Friday so I will also talk to them thanks for the tip :)

Keep checking back. They might not be hiring right now, but you'll see openings as Spring gets going, I practically guarantee.

I'd walk in their front door with a resume... They will certainly be hiring for the summer regardless of what the website says and taking the initiative to walk in would probably be good. Those small operators often don't keep their websites up to date weekly; I'm almost positive their career openings page hasn't changed in the last year.


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Got an email today from Ameriflight recruiter

We appreciate your interest in the E120 FO position.
We are keeping your application in consideration of future opportunities.
We would like you to email us monthly updating your flight times, skills and experience.

Congrats on your decision. Ameriflight may not be the company you want to make a career out of but it is a great stepping stone. You will learn more about flying during your time at AMF then you will learn for the rest of you aviation career! All the best

On the ameriflight website, it lists a whole bunch of pilot openings all over. Do they just keep those on there to let pilots know where each plane is or are they no joke jobs. Also, does the applicants preference have any bearing on what they give you?
Thanks!!