osuav8r

I suspect you're right. It obviously touched down pretty normally and rolled into the tree. He was a pretty good stick as I recall.

NCR757dxr

Incorrect in many ways..... The SIC is not a required crew member on the freighters so why would a company pay someone? The SIC is compensated for all passenger flights but CASW has authorization to use an SIC in all operations but don't need them at the same time. The wording is "at the desecration" or something like that. Basically if the SIC doesn't show on a freight trip then no big deal.

If the program is all someone has at the time then who are we to judge? You're not taking anyone's job and are able to get out of the flight school mentality and into the real world at the same time; very valuable when trying to become a professional pilot.

The pay the play with CASW boils down to renting the airplane to build time, just like renting your C172 from the FBO but the difference is the quality of time you receive. The old mentality of saying play to play sucks just doesn't cut it anymore in this new world of HR5900 and the over saturation of CFIs. If you want to help your career progression bad enough, this is a reasonable way to do it.

NCR757dxr

Its not meant to get you from 250 to 1200 (single pilot IFR mins)..... just to help a floundering pilot get some more TT under their belt helping them get to the next point in their career.

Pay to play wouldn't be an issue if our system could be overhauled to a more international system of flight training for professional pilots. However that discussion is for another day and time

fjetter

Ok now you've confused me and I'm not sure how their program is setup. My questions for you are:

I understand by your post above that SICs are required for pax runs but not freight runs.

• Does the company pay for all the training or do SICs pay to become a qualified required crew member?
• On freight runs where a SIC is not required does the SIC pay for this time?

If the are right seating without pay as a non-required crew member that's one thing but pay-for-play to support CASW's business model just doesn't work for me. Would you pay your employer to go to work



I understand where you're coming from about it being experience building to make yourself more marketable for future positions vs cfiing (which has it's own pros and cons) and agree that's another conversation for another time

NCR757dxr

Passenger
SIC paid to fly

Freighter
SIC pays to fly

Very cheap time building. Look past the "working" side of things and see that you're basically renting an airplane instead of "working" for the company if that makes sense.

SIC pays for training. I actually think it a toss up when comparing someone who pays for training and a training contract IMHO. Both things suck but that is the majority of 135 world for you.

mojo6911

Anyone know the schedule or pay in the ADS or DAL area?

Yoda2

For those interested... I am not big on SIC programs or pay to play however, if one did avail themselves of it, especially the CASW SIC program (if it still exists) for building time or multi, think of it more importantly as building experience. You would get some rather expensive but very worthwhile experience. CASW pilots are very respected in the industry and have no problem moving on when the time comes. Additionally, For those legally qualified to fly 135 IFR PIC, Again don't think about the multi time, it will take care of itself. More importantly and especially with a company like CASW you must be very comfortable/competent with single pilot IFR and you will also be dealing with a lot of rime ice in the winter and thunderstorms in the summer. A couple years of that will make you a real pilot, you'll have your 1000 multi and be able to go just about anywhere (especially in the corporate world)

BailedOut

comfortable/competent with single pilot night IFR. Considering where most new hires come from, it's quite the kick in the woo-hoos the first months. It's more of a confidence builder than time builder.

BailedOut

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Flightcap

Reviving a zombie thread to find out new information on this company. They recently posted on flightlevel350 about openings in the Columbus and Cincinnati area. Anyone have recent experiences with pay and scheduling?