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Old 01-19-2013 | 08:22 PM
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Anyone know of a 135 operator in PHX area that would put a King Air SIC on?
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Old 01-20-2013 | 04:23 PM
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Old 01-21-2013 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishFlyer757
Anyone know of a 135 operator in PHX area that would put a King Air SIC on?


How would you go about logging that flight time?
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Old 01-21-2013 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
How would you go about logging that flight time?
I think you could only log King air SIC time if it's in a 300/350 (over 12.5) and operated under part 91.

I would guess there are very few King Air operators in the US that are two pilot ops specs.
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Old 01-21-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
How would you go about logging that flight time?
135 requiring 2 pilots?
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Old 01-21-2013 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
135 requiring 2 pilots?
Would you mind showing me a charter company (excluding air ambo) that operates Kings Airs with two pilot ops specs?

I know it's possible, but who does it?

King Airs are single pilot ships. The costs are significantly higher for a charter company to operate a single pilot plane under two pilot ops specs.

Most charter companies that operate King Airs with two pilots have single pilot ops specs.
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Old 01-21-2013 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
Would you mind showing me a charter company (excluding air ambo) that operates Kings Airs with two pilot ops specs?

I know it's possible, but who does it?

King Airs are single pilot ships. The costs are significantly higher for a charter company to operate a single pilot plane under two pilot ops specs.

Most charter companies that operate King Airs with two pilots have single pilot ops specs.
Just throwing it out there. Caravan's are single pilot, yet there are airlines running them 2 pilot. 402's are single pilot, yet there are airlines running them 2 pilot. No?
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Old 01-21-2013 | 07:43 PM
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The F/O I flew with the last two days flew contract for a King Air operator out of SNA who used SICs when the customer required it. He was flying a Citation Sovereign most of the time but the operator wanted him to fly SIC on the King Airs as well.

Years ago I flew SIC on a couple of King Airs myself. It, too was contract work when the company required two pilots for insurance reasons.
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Old 01-21-2013 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Just throwing it out there. Caravan's are single pilot, yet there are airlines running them 2 pilot. 402's are single pilot, yet there are airlines running them 2 pilot. No?
Are the companies you mentioned operating under two pilot or single pilot ops specs? If a 135 company has single pilot ops specs, I would be careful before logging time.

Many companies that have single pilot ops specs still use co-pilots. In the FAA's eyes, the co-pilot is considered a passenger on the 135 flights. If the plane requires a type rating, SIC time could be logged on 91 flights.
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
The F/O I flew with the last two days flew contract for a King Air operator out of SNA who used SICs when the customer required it. He was flying a Citation Sovereign most of the time but the operator wanted him to fly SIC on the King Airs as well.

Years ago I flew SIC on a couple of King Airs myself. It, too was contract work when the company required two pilots for insurance reasons.
Logging SIC time in a King Air 300/350 under part 91 is completely legal.

Even if the time isn't loggable, the job might still be worthwhile if the pilot is compensated within reason.
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