Florida Jet
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 468
It was never meant in a CRM sense... More like a, "hey you are going to empty lavs and polish leading edges, buy newspapers, get the plane ready, and the captain will show up for the flight" I can see where you're coming from though. They always had a good policy of mentoring. Everyone gets typed, and when you fly you do so from the left seat.
An owner who tells you you're snake ******? Makes you empty lavs? Polish leading edges? Do personal errands for him? Oh, and he pays you crap too.
Sounds to me like he takes advantage of low time guys, and makes them feel like they're "earning" their jet time.
He and the low timers that accept the "job" with starry-eyed visions of burning Jet-A are symptomatic of what is wrong with this industry.
Unless you're getting hired as an assistant or all-around jack of trades who he'll let fly occasionally, then have some respect for yourself and this profession, and work elsewhere.
You want to "earn" a jet job? Get your commercial, build some hours, network, learn, show interest, be humble, and create an opportunity at at least a decent company. Not one that seems to treat you like this place.
#12
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
I get your point about the pay and status of the industry. I'm always one who advocates for raising the bar and improving conditions, etc.
Somehow my take from working at FJS was different. It's very old school around there. He's up front and honest about what the job is from the outset. I don't want to come off as a sycophant, either. It was hard work, and I hated life. That's why I left and went to the regionals. But looking back on it, I realize that I learned a lot about the non-scheduled part of aviation. And it helps cure that other problem with aviation — the me, me, me, me attitude. It knocks out the glossy magazine shiny jet syndrome, and that's refreshing. The way you spoke about getting hired is how I see that job. I networked and worked hard to earn the gig. And it's probably one of the better part 135 jobs in south Florida.
Anyway, that's just my perspective.
Somehow my take from working at FJS was different. It's very old school around there. He's up front and honest about what the job is from the outset. I don't want to come off as a sycophant, either. It was hard work, and I hated life. That's why I left and went to the regionals. But looking back on it, I realize that I learned a lot about the non-scheduled part of aviation. And it helps cure that other problem with aviation — the me, me, me, me attitude. It knocks out the glossy magazine shiny jet syndrome, and that's refreshing. The way you spoke about getting hired is how I see that job. I networked and worked hard to earn the gig. And it's probably one of the better part 135 jobs in south Florida.
Anyway, that's just my perspective.
#14
If told upfront, a pilot has no one to blame if s/he is unhappy with the job, time to move on. I'd rather be told upfront than tried to be sold a **sandwich**.
As a precautionary side bar though - don't do anything for anyone to risk YOUR certificates; so the operation still has to be run correctly on all fronts.
#15
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
For the record, my point on this particular company is you work hard, and yeah you do a lot of other non-flying stuff. If hard work = crap then that's a whole different thing. You fly extremely well maintained equipment and they don't push the safety envelope like a lot of other operators out there. At least you did 9 years ago when I was out at FXE.
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