Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
08-28-2020, 08:31 AM
#5631
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Originally Posted by CADR
Here's the problem, the people at the top of the seniority list and unaffected from the furloughs/downgrades will never go for it. They are all for no concessions and although they will never say it, they honestly would rather have the people at the bottom be furloughed/downgraded than to see a drop in their pay.
The same ones prior to COVID who wouldn’t shut up about how bad Piedmont was/is. When Piedmont is short staffed again and guys like me on the bottom of the NEW seniority list are being junior manned and extended, they will continue their non stop ******** about how bad this company is!
08-28-2020, 10:57 AM
#5632
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Don’t become the new PSA y’all. Furloughs are better than concessions. PSA already shut the door on any concessions and most of the junior pilots are okay with it. You need a good company to come back to should you choose to go back when recalled. If a single WO takes concessions AA will expect the other two to do the same. That’s why Envoy hates PSA so much.
08-28-2020, 11:08 AM
#5633
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Originally Posted by CADR
Here's the problem, the people at the top of the seniority list and unaffected from the furloughs/downgrades will never go for it. They are all for no concessions and although they will never say it, they honestly would rather have the people at the bottom be furloughed/downgraded than to see a drop in their pay.
Taking a downgrade followed by a concession cut would be another bad double hit.
I understand the plight of the furloughs. But, at what point is it untenable to keep them on the seniority list?
My first year pay at this airline years ago was $25K. You'd be better off going on the dole if it got to that point.
08-28-2020, 12:39 PM
#5635
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Originally Posted by puffycloud
😂 Hitler video with subtitles never gets old.
08-28-2020, 02:18 PM
#5636
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Originally Posted by boxthrower
Don’t become the new PSA y’all. Furloughs are better than concessions. PSA already shut the door on any concessions and most of the junior pilots are okay with it. You need a good company to come back to should you choose to go back when recalled. If a single WO takes concessions AA will expect the other two to do the same. That’s why Envoy hates PSA so much.
I'm not in favor of concessions, but let's be clear that you are comparing apples and oranges. PSA did that to get new airplanes. We are currently in a completely incomprehensible situation that came from a global pandemic that shut down all airlines and travel demand. The two things are completely different. A temporary "concession" or drop in min guarantee to preserve all the pilot jobs at the company would be vastly different from negotiating to get new airplanes. Once again, I'm not saying that is on the table nor am I for it, but it is very different from what has come before.
08-28-2020, 02:21 PM
#5637
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Originally Posted by CADR
I'm not in favor of concessions, but let's be clear that you are comparing apples and oranges. PSA did that to get new airplanes. We are currently in a completely incomprehensible situation that came from a global pandemic that shut down all airlines and travel demand. The two things are completely different. A temporary "concession" or drop in min guarantee to preserve all the pilot jobs at the company would be vastly different from negotiating to get new airplanes. Once again, I'm not saying that is on the table nor am I for it, but it is very different from what has come before.
08-28-2020, 02:26 PM
#5638
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
Before my time in the airlines but thought that was the whole jets for jobs shenanigans.
08-28-2020, 02:34 PM
#5639
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Originally Posted by boxthrower
It was. I’m also not sure why he even brought it up. He’s comparing then to now when I said PSA shot down concessions offered by the company this time around. Nothing is going to save the jobs except passengers.
Uhhh....because you said "Don’t become the new PSA y’all"
What else could you be referring to? Also, I 100% agree, we all need passenger demand to return.
08-28-2020, 03:34 PM
#5640
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Originally Posted by CADR
Here's the problem, the people at the top of the seniority list and unaffected from the furloughs/downgrades will never go for it. They are all for no concessions and although they will never say it, they honestly would rather have the people at the bottom be furloughed/downgraded than to see a drop in their pay.
we average like 34 departures a day out of CLT. a pay cut will not keep everyones jobs.
this is how the industry is, its not our fault some younger guys dont know the older guys who have seen it all. they will tell you.
anyone here that wants a pay cut to keep their job quit the industry now.
full pay till the last day baby
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