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11-01-2018, 12:20 AM
#21
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Honest question (ie, genuinely trying to see the situation properly/accurately)... Can you please help me understand why a ENY-PDT merger is practically not possible and/or makes no sense? From the accountants’ perspective, what benefit is there in having the overhead of 2 airlines instead of 1, especially when they’re flying common equipment with no overlap in bases?
As for F9, I’m not in the industry yet, but I’m pulling for you all hard & wishing you the best sooner rather than later. I won’t be flying F9 in the back (I don’t care what the savings is) until Indigo removes their collective heads from their backsides or sells to a management team who will treat the F9 pilot group like the professionals they are!
As for F9, I’m not in the industry yet, but I’m pulling for you all hard & wishing you the best sooner rather than later. I won’t be flying F9 in the back (I don’t care what the savings is) until Indigo removes their collective heads from their backsides or sells to a management team who will treat the F9 pilot group like the professionals they are!
Originally Posted by soar2live
Umm...ok...why is this merger even a topic still? Very old rumor that started on Envoy side when they were having staffing issues and forcing upgrades. All it is now is a scare tactic. Please ignore all falsehoods of a merger. That is all.
11-01-2018, 12:54 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by fenix1
Honest question (ie, genuinely trying to see the situation properly/accurately)... Can you please help me understand why a ENY-PDT merger is practically not possible and/or makes no sense? From the accountants’ perspective, what benefit is there in having the overhead of 2 airlines instead of 1, especially when they’re flying common equipment with no overlap in bases?
As for F9, I’m not in the industry yet, but I’m pulling for you all hard & wishing you the best sooner rather than later. I won’t be flying F9 in the back (I don’t care what the savings is) until Indigo removes their collective heads from their backsides or sells to a management team who will treat the F9 pilot group like the professionals they are!
As for F9, I’m not in the industry yet, but I’m pulling for you all hard & wishing you the best sooner rather than later. I won’t be flying F9 in the back (I don’t care what the savings is) until Indigo removes their collective heads from their backsides or sells to a management team who will treat the F9 pilot group like the professionals they are!
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
11-01-2018, 03:58 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Piedmont has almost 8k employees throughout the country... most of which are its ground services group, so there’s a lot more to the airline than just the pilots and planes. Envoy also has a large ground services group. Both groups do the work of a double the work of a mainline employee (many are dual quad) for a fraction of the costs.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
This...
Many of the grounds stationswill switch between pdt and envoy every few years. the employees at that station are forced to change to the other company and therefore starting at year 1 salary...
American wo treat their employees terrible. We are all just a resource and trust me, they would dump us in a second if they could.
11-01-2018, 07:44 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Piedmont has almost 8k employees throughout the country... most of which are its ground services group, so there’s a lot more to the airline than just the pilots and planes. Envoy also has a large ground services group. Both groups do the work of a double the work of a mainline employee (many are dual quad) for a fraction of the costs.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
11-01-2018, 09:58 PM
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Thank you and great info (I didn’t realize this was occurring to this degree & can see how this creates leverage for the company that justifies more WO’s - even with some additional overhead - rather than fewer)
Originally Posted by Otterbox
Piedmont has almost 8k employees throughout the country... most of which are its ground services group, so there’s a lot more to the airline than just the pilots and planes. Envoy also has a large ground services group. Both groups do the work of a double the work of a mainline employee (many are dual quad) for a fraction of the costs.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
AAG regularly play the WOs against each other. Folks are most familiar with this occurring on the pilot and planes front, however it happens regularly on the ground side where Envoy will loose a ground service contract to Piedmont, allowing the same work to be done as cheaply as possible.
Eliminating the ability to have WOs undercut each other price wise for work will inflate costs beyond what is palatable as well as give labor groups at the airlines more leverage long term more than offsetting the costs savings of eliminating a few management positions.
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