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PDTFlyer 10-11-2018 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689751)
I do not agree with that. I feel like the Union was simply being informative about the proposed changes and weren't trying sell anything.

I don’t think anyone from the Union is on the take, but this management is extremely hostile. We are stuck in the AA WO whipsaw and everything you see is a byproduct of that.

Need to clean the slate within the Union. Can’t get rid of MK but we can change things on our side of the table.

Newstick189 10-11-2018 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by PDTFlyer (Post 2689780)
Need to clean the slate within the Union. Can’t get rid of MK but we can change things on our side of the table.

BL for MEC Chair

MantisToboggan 10-11-2018 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by 67Creek (Post 2689757)
"Well the intent of that is..." "Well, technically that could happen, but the company won't do that because staffing levels will improve."

Honestly, I was incredibly disappointed that they were the ones representing the pilot group.

Exactly how we ended up with our current contract

PDTFlyer 10-11-2018 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689785)
BL for MEC Chair

Have we seen any actual significant change with him involved? Lots of “looking into it” but still 11 days off, less commutable lines, and he supported the TA. Sorry I don’t agree.

PDTFlyer 10-11-2018 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by MantisToboggan (Post 2689812)
Exactly how we ended up with our current contract

We cannot vote anything with ambiguity into our contract. It has to be crystal clear.

Newstick189 10-11-2018 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by PDTFlyer (Post 2689817)
Have we seen any actual significant change with him involved? Lots of “looking into it” but still 11 days off, less commutable lines, and he supported the TA. Sorry I don’t agree.

Yes we have. Statistically the movement towards a 45 minute report time created many more opportunities for line development. Also, he was able to finally get access to the scheduling software which allows him to run scheduling scenarios which are hopefully going to lead to much better things going forward. Did you not see the newsletter outlining all the new schedule types for the October bid? That was super awesome for once.

Do not confuse critical staffing levels with lack of effort on his part. If there’s anyone in the Union that deserves praise, it’s BL.

Why wouldn’t he support the TA, he’s part of the Union and the negotiated terms greatly expanded language determining the Scheduling Committees role in schedule building. Why would he openly be a no vote?

PDTFlyer 10-11-2018 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689821)
Yes we have. Statistically the movement towards a 45 minute report time created many more opportunities for line development. Also, he was able to finally get access to SABRE and S3RUS which allows him to run scheduling scenarios which are hopefully going to lead to much better things going forward. Did you not see the newsletter outlining all the new schedule types for the October bid? That was super awesome for once.

Do not confuse critical staffing levels with lack of effort on his part. If there’s anyone in the Union that deserves praise, it’s BL.

Why wouldn’t he support the TA, he’s part of the Union and the negotiated terms greatly expanded language determining the Scheduling Committees role in schedule building. Why would he openly be a no vote?

“Hopefully going to lead” We are all tired of “hopefully”. October was the same crap as the rest of the year. The 45 minute reports benefits the company just as much. When the top 30% (which is still a low number) can’t hold more than 11 days off in September and October, which are usually the slowest air travel months of the year, we haven’t made tangible progress.

He is absolutely trying to make change and he is one of the few in the Union I can say are in the position they should be in.

MantisToboggan 10-11-2018 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689821)
Yes we have. Statistically the movement towards a 45 minute report time created many more opportunities for line development. Also, he was able to finally get access to the scheduling software which allows him to run scheduling scenarios which are hopefully going to lead to much better things going forward. Did you not see the newsletter outlining all the new schedule types for the October bid? That was super awesome for once.

Do not confuse critical staffing levels with lack of effort on his part. If there’s anyone in the Union that deserves praise, it’s BL.

Why wouldn’t he support the TA, he’s part of the Union and the negotiated terms greatly expanded language determining the Scheduling Committees role in schedule building. Why would he openly be a no vote?


Hey let's see those "statistics". Or is this hyperbole?

To answer your question, because IT SUCKED

Newstick189 10-11-2018 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by MantisToboggan (Post 2689832)
Hey let's see those "statistics". Or is this hyperbole?

To answer your question, because IT SUCKED

Hyperbole.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that spending less time doing BS duty and more time doing flying duty leads to more efficient schedules though.

The company wanted the 1 hour show to help their precious on time statistics, we as a pilot group have done everything to hurt that after the 45 minute show rule - hence the emails from both the company and union.

I know it’s a shocker, but some things can benefit both parties. BL is doing the right things for the pilot group despite an extremely uphill battle. If you guys really feel different you should volunteer, because it’s not as easy of work as you could imagine from your armchair.

MantisToboggan 10-11-2018 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689840)
Hyperbole.

If you guys really feel different you should volunteer

This will never sit right for me. I pay my union dues. Everyone here does. You don't know who I am or if I volunteer, just as much as I don't know if you are the chairmen of the MEC. You could be for all I know.

That in no way effects my right to express my opinion on the union and what they are doing. What are you doing when you volunteer time to the union? Does representing pilots ring a bell? How are we to be represented if we aren't allowed to express our opinion? Your right to explain how you feel about the way things are going is in no way linked to your volunteer record. End of story.

Maybe the union only feels it represents those who do volunteer? And it attracts a certain kind of person? And maybe that echo chamber is why the union deemed it appropriate to put forth a vote on a concessionary contract that the pilot group replied to with a resounding "NO". Just spitballing here.

But maybe I'm on to something. The union is representative of the pilot group as a whole. If people truly believe that if you don't volunteer you don't have a say? Then man, are we in trouble.


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