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01-16-2019, 09:40 PM

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DarkSideMoon

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Originally Posted by 4thgenaviator

This sh!t about vacation is ridiculous. Only pilot group I know that will complain about likely getting more days off a month and more efficient trips (i.e. higher credit) but MAYBE having to lose a few days of your sweet vacay.

Same thing at ZW. You mention anything positive about PBS and people lose their ****. I can’t afford to drop the trips touched by vacation so I end up working them anyway at double time. I’d rather have higher credit, more overnights/types of trips I want and more days off every month than the occasional vacation month. Our work rules and soft pay are great so it’s not like PBS would make our schedules terrible.

01-16-2019, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

Same thing at ZW.

Our work rules and soft pay are great

^Not applicable to PDT.

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01-17-2019, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix21

The system is only as good as the work rule/protections in the contract. PDTs is lacking, especially with the modified min day being 4hrs. PBS is designed to minimize crew and maximize scheduling efficiency bases on the limits of the contract so the system will strive to assign no more than 4hrs of pay opportunity per day for an average of 18.75 days per month throughout the system.

Same 4hr/day credit for the same 11 days off a month at the price of triple premium pay, Vacation conflict bidding and a smaller pilot group with PBS at Piedmont the way things currently are.

I don’t think you understand PBS. PBS is a system for awarding pairings. It does not construct or change the way pairings are currently built. It simply places them on a pilots schedule just as line of time bidding does. Given the exact same work rules PBS does not save a single job for the company. Where PBS does save jobs is because almost always when negotiated the company is allowed to program PBS to eliminate conflicts. This is especially helpful to a company in dealing with end of the month changeovers. The job savings is still not huge.

01-17-2019, 05:43 AM

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Phoenix21

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

20% savings is what the company said it projects the savings to be. That’s a significant number, especially when flow rate and flow rate increases are tired to the number of individuals on the seniority list.

01-17-2019, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix21

And tied to relative seniority, and upgrade potential, and the pay/bonuses required to recruit/retain.

01-17-2019, 06:08 AM

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I don’t think you understand PBS. PBS is a system for awarding pairings. It does not construct or change the way pairings are currently built.

I think it's assumed that the technical overhaul would include a modern pairing optimizer.

01-17-2019, 06:23 AM

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That’s impossible unless you grant massive work rule changes with PBS implementation.

01-17-2019, 06:25 AM

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I think it's assumed that the technical overhaul would include a modern pairing optimizer.

Why not get that pairing optimizer now? There is usually nothing contractual in what software a company uses to build pairings. Delta was able to reduce hiring last year by building more efficient pairings.