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AlphaTango69 01-28-2020 09:55 AM

March 2020 flows to American:

DD - hired June 2015
SM - hired June 2015
MK - hired June 2015
DB hired July 2015
TS hired July 2015
CK - hired July 2015

AlphaTango69 01-28-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by BRubble (Post 2951282)
Still pretty amazing to go from zero 121 time to American Airlines in 4+ years. How old is the youngest person? To flow, I mean.

Young guy in the March flow - maybe 25, 26 years old? Great career ahead.

DontLookDown 01-31-2020 05:36 AM

Out of curiosity, what does everyone think will happen to the flow program if an AA airplane ever crashes and it turns out the pilot flying it had a criminal history, a few checkride failures and only a high school education?

Then the media goes on to explain how that pilot wouldn’t have been hired at Delta or United, but AA has a “flow” program set up that allows pilots with those kinds of backgrounds to still get hired.

That could be a PR nightmare. I think AA is counting on the fact that once the flow program gets established it will take a pilot 8-10 years to flow.

Being able to explain that a pilot has to prove themselves by maintaining a clean record for 10 years would restore everyone’s faith in the AA hiring practices should the worst ever happen. I think that AA will always try to balance making the flow process as long as possible, while keeping it just quick enough to still be an effective recruitment tool

OpMidClimax 01-31-2020 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by DontLookDown (Post 2968098)
Out of curiosity, what does everyone think will happen to the flow program if an AA airplane ever crashes and it turns out the pilot flying it had a criminal history, a few checkride failures and only a high school education?

Then the media goes on to explain how that pilot wouldn’t have been hired at Delta or United, but AA has a “flow” program set up that allows pilots with those kinds of backgrounds to still get hired.

That could be a PR nightmare. I think AA is counting on the fact that once the flow program gets established it will take a pilot 8-10 years to flow.

Being able to explain that a pilot has to prove themselves by maintaining a clean record for 10 years would restore everyone’s faith in the AA hiring practices should the worst ever happen. I think that AA will always try to balance making the flow process as long as possible, while keeping it just quick enough to still be an effective recruitment tool

Obviously you do not work at PDT. All of our aviators are highly skilled professionals with various backgrounds that American is thankful for receiving.

There are plenty of bad apples that get hired at United or Delta just like any other company.

The hiring crunch is in full gear, hold on.

ninerdriver 01-31-2020 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2968129)
All of our aviators are highly skilled professionals with various backgrounds that American is thankful for receiving.

Kooj? Is that you again?

PiedmontFlyer 01-31-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by DontLookDown (Post 2968098)
Out of curiosity, what does everyone think will happen to the flow program if an AA airplane ever crashes and it turns out the pilot flying it had a criminal history, a few checkride failures and only a high school education?

Then the media goes on to explain how that pilot wouldn’t have been hired at Delta or United, but AA has a “flow” program set up that allows pilots with those kinds of backgrounds to still get hired.

That could be a PR nightmare. I think AA is counting on the fact that once the flow program gets established it will take a pilot 8-10 years to flow.

Being able to explain that a pilot has to prove themselves by maintaining a clean record for 10 years would restore everyone’s faith in the AA hiring practices should the worst ever happen. I think that AA will always try to balance making the flow process as long as possible, while keeping it just quick enough to still be an effective recruitment tool

The flow program is five years old - it's pretty well established.

ArmyRWP2018 01-31-2020 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2968166)
The flow program is five years old - it's pretty well established.

AA has a pretty robust evaluation system and probation period to remove anyone that is not up to standard once they are on property as well.

HW1018 01-31-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by DontLookDown (Post 2968098)
Out of curiosity, what does everyone think will happen to the flow program if an AA airplane ever crashes and it turns out the pilot flying it had a criminal history, a few checkride failures and only a high school education?

Then the media goes on to explain how that pilot wouldn’t have been hired at Delta or United, but AA has a “flow” program set up that allows pilots with those kinds of backgrounds to still get hired.

That could be a PR nightmare. I think AA is counting on the fact that once the flow program gets established it will take a pilot 8-10 years to flow.

Being able to explain that a pilot has to prove themselves by maintaining a clean record for 10 years would restore everyone’s faith in the AA hiring practices should the worst ever happen. I think that AA will always try to balance making the flow process as long as possible, while keeping it just quick enough to still be an effective recruitment tool

I would venture to say, that pilots WITHOUT a criminal record and WITHOUT check ride failures have crashed airplanes too...just study the accidents involving major airlines over the last 50 years, I am almost certain a majority of those pilots did not have a criminal back ground, check ride failures, and had 4 years degrees...but they still crashed an aircraft too. Just because someone has had set backs in their careers, doesn't mean they will crash an airplane or be any less compentent.

Bluetaildragger 01-31-2020 12:06 PM

The way I built my hours is better than the way anyone else has ever done it. Military is better than regional. CFI better than banner tower. Corporate better than CFI. Off the street better than flow.

Most importantly, get off my lawn you kids!

Flyinguy 01-31-2020 01:06 PM

Pilots that go to American Airlines
 

Originally Posted by HW1018 (Post 2968339)
I would venture to say, that pilots WITHOUT a criminal record and WITHOUT check ride failures have crashed airplanes too...just study the accidents involving major airlines over the last 50 years, I am almost certain a majority of those pilots did not have a criminal back ground, check ride failures, and had 4 years degrees...but they still crashed an aircraft too. Just because someone has had set backs in their careers, doesn't mean they will crash an airplane or be any less compentent.

Though this may be very true, it wouldn’t surprise me if AA attempted to blame the “flow” as Amazon tried to blame the guy who crashed and “lied” to them. But the reality is they passed the companies check rides, and that is a legal/PR cop out.

But having so many flow pilots on property, it would look bad if AA threw them under the bus, so I kind of doubt they would.


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