Where are new hires going CLT or PHL?
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but who really knows in these crazy times?
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Not sure if I would call Piedmont stable. During peak covid in 2020 there were serious talks about Piedmont closing up shop and going by the way side just like TSA, Compass, and xjet did.
PDT was able to avoid furloughs and limp along by kicking the can down the road through some creative financing and cost saving strategies. However, have things really improved since 2020? If anything, you can argue that it’s worse overall now for the whole airline.
Covid in a way kind of saved Piedmont, or at least extended its life a bit. But “normal” times are slowly returning. Attrition is only picking up, PDT has told AA that it can’t accept the flying AA wants it to do simply because of staffing. New hires are not exactly lining up out the door to work at PDT…for obvious QOL reasons. Piedmont stable? I would not bet on that.
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The 50 seat RJ's are going away, there's just not enough pilots to fly them. I suspect Piedmont will be folded into the other Wholly Owned Airlines at AA and the pilots offered jobs at those, unless Piedmont has strong enough Scope language in their contract to require a merger of seniority lists. Alternately some 70+ seat jets could be assigned to Piedmont and replace the 50 seaters but that's a lot of training events.
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The 50 seat RJ's are going away, there's just not enough pilots to fly them. I suspect Piedmont will be folded into the other Wholly Owned Airlines at AA and the pilots offered jobs at those, unless Piedmont has strong enough Scope language in their contract to require a merger of seniority lists. Alternately some 70+ seat jets could be assigned to Piedmont and replace the 50 seaters but that's a lot of training events.
Alternatively, to keep attrition to manageable levels, they may also staple the WO pilots to the main line seniority list. Pay for 76 will be existing Group I rates, less that mainline narrow body Group II rates. Cannot say what 50 seat rates will be, Group I or something somewhat less. This will fix the RJ Captain shortfall. Mainline narrow body FO will be willing to fly as a 76 CA for a couple of years, with a slightly higher rate than Group II FO.
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My crystal ball says all 3 WO subsidiaries of AA will merge into 1. Most of the 50 seaters will be parked. Flying will be upgauged. 50–>76, 76–>mainline narrow body. All with less frequency or with milk can runs with the pre-RJ model.
Alternatively, to keep attrition to manageable levels, they may also staple the WO pilots to the main line seniority list. Pay for 76 will be existing Group I rates, less that mainline narrow body Group II rates. Cannot say what 50 seat rates will be, Group I or something somewhat less. This will fix the RJ Captain shortfall. Mainline narrow body FO will be willing to fly as a 76 CA for a couple of years, with a slightly higher rate than Group II FO.
Alternatively, to keep attrition to manageable levels, they may also staple the WO pilots to the main line seniority list. Pay for 76 will be existing Group I rates, less that mainline narrow body Group II rates. Cannot say what 50 seat rates will be, Group I or something somewhat less. This will fix the RJ Captain shortfall. Mainline narrow body FO will be willing to fly as a 76 CA for a couple of years, with a slightly higher rate than Group II FO.
Alternatively, I could see a full scholarship program for pilots after they get their PPL. Once they reach 1500 hours they go fly for a regional for X number of years to pay back the scholarship while holding a mainline seniority number. Alternate to holding the seniority number would be credit for years of service at the regional so they'd start at the same years of service mainline payscale they had at the regional. So they know they have a mainline job coming (assuming furloughs aren't happening) and will be making a good salary. It'd have to be a guaranteed hire short of making a major screwup at the regional.
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