Taco280AI

"Skywarrior tries to pair you up with other RTP students building time so you generally fly with the same people."

But you're splitting the total flight time for each flight? A six hour day gets you three hours of time? Just wondering if these schools are trying to get away with you both logging six for a six hour day.

new guy

You may want to contact Greg of Skywarrior. Just call there and ask, tell them you have a question regarding the RTP. They'll be able to answer all the details on stiff within the program. He's returned my calls within 24 hours. Awesome guy.

Tester130

They do have you both log close to the full flight time, but you have to do it a certain way so it is legal in accordance with the FAA regs. One person is it PIC of the flight and can log the whole flight as PIC time. The other pilot goes under the hood and will fly the majority of the flight as sole manipulator of the controls and can log acting PIC. The first pilot is the safety pilot and required while the other is under the hood. One is the PIC and required safety pilot and the other is sole manipulator of the controls so both are able to legally log PIC or acting PIC time. This is a pretty standard way flight schools have students build time. It might not be the best way, but it is legal.

Disclaimer: I didn't go through the RTP program, but I know a guy who has. I built my time so I could transition by flying around a friends plane for many hours.


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Taco280AI

That makes sense. And that way you're splitting the cost of the plane and can build your hours at half the cost? Or get twice the time, up until minimums required to get your RATP. What I'm wondering is if they're trying to charge full amounts when you're really splitting it in half.

Not saying they're shady, but could see a shady school trying to charge PSA 4 hours of plane rental for Mark and 4 hours for John when they flew those 4 hours together.

Tester130

I didn't go through the program, but my understanding of it is you are responsible for paying to get the qualifications you need to be ATP eligible. So you need your commercial multi-engine with instrument rating. This could be paid for by your GI Bill, out of pocket, or a reduction in signing bonus I believe. After that PSA is gooding to pay for the time building flight time until you reach your 250 hours of fixed wing PIC time (of which 100 has to be cross country and 25 has to be night).

Each persons case is a little different so the guys as Sky Warrior will take a look at your hours/background/quals and let you know what you need, what you will be responsible for covering, and what PSA will cover before you start. If you use the program there is a commitment, but I believe it isn't any longer than the bonus commitment. And let's be honest, being a rotor transition, the odds of a major calling you before two years is pretty low.

So, long story short, you or the airline (depending on the situation) only pays for the time the plane is flown. If two pilots go flying for four hours and are both logging PIC time, they only get charged for the four hours. It is the same as if you and a buddy went and rented a plane and both logged the time. You get charged for the time you had the plane, not what you put in your log books.


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new guy

Ouch, no love for us RW guys? You mean Delta and United aren't gonna see my time the same way as a C-130 guy?

Taco280AI

But on day 730.... that call is coming!

Tester130

We can only hope...


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Frogamazog

Hey, just name me one futuristic movie where the flying machines have to use a runway to land. That's right, they all HOVER!

Surely

I just finished RTP and waiting to start ATP/CTP later this month. Here's how 2 pilots are logging PIC time in a single sortie. One pilot signs for the aircraft and is the authorized PIC for the flight. This pilot never touches the controls and acts as the safety pilot for the other pilot who, after takeoff, dons the foggles and flies simulated instruments. Being that a safety pilot is a required crewmember at the simulated flights portion, the pilot who signed for the aircraft can log PIC time during the portion he/she acted as the safety pilot. The flying pilot logs the entire flight time as PIC under the sole manipulator rule, along with the appropriate sim inst time and cross country time. Bottom line, the pilot on the controls will log about 0.2 hrs more than the safety pilot per each sortie (taxi, takeoff, and land), the pilot flying will be the only one logging the x-country time.
The links below are to two FAA legal interpretation letters that the whole PIC logging system seems to be based on. Hope this helps.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf