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ZeroTT 04-08-2018 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 2567965)
Even if the economy tanks, an airline that’s retiring a third of its pilot group in the next 6-7 years most likely won’t need to furlough; they’ll just meter hiring.

If the economy tanks and hiring at UAL, SW, DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc all "meter" then both attrition from PSA and flows to AA will slow and time to flow will be much higher.

ajkc114 04-09-2018 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by MaCrOs (Post 2567583)
A third of that number are FOs who were in training.

Did they leave, or did they fail out?

chrisreedrules 04-09-2018 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2567987)
If the economy tanks and hiring at UAL, SW, DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc all "meter" then both attrition from PSA and flows to AA will slow and time to flow will be much higher.

The benefit of the flow agreements at the AA WOs is that if hiring is metered at mainline a little bit due to some unforeseen circumstance, the flows will essentially make up the bulk of the classes and there will be essentially zero off the street hiring at AA. But as stated above, it would take something grievous to really halt anything at this point. AA can’t afford to stop training due to the massive retirements.

ZeroTT 04-09-2018 08:25 AM

Even if AA keeps taking 10/month, current flow times are dependent on other places taking 10+ per month also. 20 total departures per month will move through 1680 people in 7 years. If everyone upstream of PSA stops hiring, flow times could go well over a decade even if AA doesn’t change.

chrisreedrules 04-09-2018 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2568271)
Even if AA keeps taking 10/month, current flow times are dependent on other places taking 10+ per month also. 20 total departures per month will move through 1680 people in 7 years. If everyone upstream of PSA stops hiring, flow times could go well over a decade even if AA doesn’t change.

And? If everyone’s hiring slows to a trickle, it would still be better to be at an AA WO because at least what attrition and movement you will experience will still be off the top of the seniority list. Other airlines will simply stagnate.

ZeroTT 04-09-2018 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2568306)
And? If everyone’s hiring slows to a trickle, it would still be better to be at an AA WO because at least what attrition and movement you will experience will still be off the top of the seniority list. Other airlines will simply stagnate.

And ... The original question was "what will flow times be" and the answer is that they are highly sensitive to the overall hiring environment and it's not hard to construct a scenario where flow times go over 10 years.

PleaseComplete 04-09-2018 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2568419)
And ... The original question was "what will flow times be" and the answer is that they are highly sensitive to the overall hiring environment and it's not hard to construct a scenario where flow times go over 10 years.

Can you say "American Eagle"... presently known as Envoy....

captande 04-09-2018 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2568498)
Can you say "American Eagle"... presently known as Envoy....

Envoy is presently know as... Envoy

PleaseComplete 04-10-2018 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by captande (Post 2568530)
Envoy is presently know as... Envoy

:confused:

Are you unaware that American Eagle was an airline before it was a brand ? Might want to look up their flow program and the protected 824....

captande 04-10-2018 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2568807)
:confused:

Are you unaware that American Eagle was an airline before it was a brand ? Might want to look up their flow program and the protected 824....

I know Envoy used to be Eagle. I was being facetious, focusing on when you said presently.


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