PSA or Envoy
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PSA is like working for two different airlines. PSA will probably be the longest time on reserve, as we have about 4x as many reserves as any airline. The reserve rules aren't great; you'll rarely have more than 11 days off and typically block about 40 hours a month, even though you're working most days. They just consist of a lot of hot reserve and dead heads.
However, nothing beats PSA once you are round one. You can pick and choose your schedule and trips at will. The only requirement is that you credit a minimum of 65 hours. You won't get round one until you're about 50% seniority in your base and seat, though.
Then there is senior manning. Once you get close to 1,000 you will be involuntarily upgraded and moved to the base you can hold. Thanks to a shady MEC years ago, this is all considered 'voluntary' so the company will not pay relocation reimbursement, commuter hotels, positive space, nothing. Also, you'll be back on reserve as a CA and not be able to pick your schedule again.
However, nothing beats PSA once you are round one. You can pick and choose your schedule and trips at will. The only requirement is that you credit a minimum of 65 hours. You won't get round one until you're about 50% seniority in your base and seat, though.
Then there is senior manning. Once you get close to 1,000 you will be involuntarily upgraded and moved to the base you can hold. Thanks to a shady MEC years ago, this is all considered 'voluntary' so the company will not pay relocation reimbursement, commuter hotels, positive space, nothing. Also, you'll be back on reserve as a CA and not be able to pick your schedule again.
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Just having a commute that is one flight away is not very telling. Which one has more/better flight options? Which one is served by company metal as opposed to offline or mainline metal? Getting the jumpseat on your own metal is huge! It usually means the difference between getting to work and not. Also, if it is mainline, is it served by a 737 (1 jumpseat) or an airbus (2 jumpseats)?
One leg commuting can suck right now with current flight loads and cancellation factors. That, and some cities not having early or late flights anymore can mean you having to come in the day before every assignment and not being able to leave until the day after an assignment.
Other than that, any "difference" that you may see could very likely be gone in a year anyways.
PSA has high reserve times right now evidently, but are likely going to be losing 50+ pilots per month and increasing. Envoy is probably about the same.
Just pick one. You will have no idea if you made the right choice until 2 years from now. That is the unfortunate part about this industry, you never know until the end of your career if you made the right choices or not.
Choosing one of the two is not an educated decision at this point. It is a gut feeling and a guess. Nothing more. Stay away from GoJet, Air Wisconsin, and Mesa, and pick one of the rest.
Last edited by DoNoHarm; 10-30-2021 at 06:03 AM.
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I live close to BNA. Would be commuting because my mom is sick and I really want to stay close to her. I have an interview with Envoy in a few weeks for the cadet program and I just applied for PSA's cadet program.
Assuming I got offered at both, would it be smarter for me to go with Envoy and have to commute or PSA and hope to get TYS which is easily drive-able?
Looks like it would take around 4 months to get TYS as a new hire. Does that sound right?
Assuming I got offered at both, would it be smarter for me to go with Envoy and have to commute or PSA and hope to get TYS which is easily drive-able?
Looks like it would take around 4 months to get TYS as a new hire. Does that sound right?
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