Its like arguing which patient in the ICU is in better health. Either way you cut it, it’s really bad :rolleyes:

Are those ICU beds occupied by covid patients? In that case we should be extra cautious, can't afford to lose 1 more life!

The main issue with PSA is a simple one and easy to fix. It’s not the pairings they build or the mothership. It’s the pairings they destroy with vacation and training conflicts. They create their own problem that could be easily solved with a union agreement. Drop the entire pairing without pay protection instead of destroying it which you will drop anyways in SAP. Either leave you without the pairing and give you the days off or add a pairing that fits within the window of the original pairing from a pairing that dropped off someone else’s schedule. It’s not rocket science and would create more efficiency for the company and better pay/QOL for the pilot group.

No it’s not rocket science but the company wants all the efficiency gains and so does the union. So the status quo prevails

The 12 hour 4 day trip I have on my original round one line for April begs to differ. Vacations and training conflicts definitely cause issues, but they're not the whole problem.

Mark my words if we pass PBS without rock solid min day rules, and rigs then we'll have given up the best quality of life item in the regional industry for the same old scheduling bs.

Literally the only thing that will ever make PSA build efficient trips is if it costs them soft pay not to.

This.

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This is the only way the Union should even bother to bring it to the pilots. If we have strong min-day and rigs then I wouldn’t even care what kind of BS trips they build because they would pay a decent amount. The 12 hour 4-days that have been common from even before COVID were what would get dropped into open time. Combine that with the hacked-up trips from conflicts and you’ve got an open-time pot with nothing but crap. We have to carry so many reserves because of the crap that nobody wants needs to be covered.

Rigs are essentially useless for the type of flying we do, the min day would come into play 99% of the time before a trip/duty rig. Min day no carve outs, and don’t waste negotiation power on rigs.

what?

Standard 2:1 duty rig would pay 6 hrs (rare) for a 12 hr day (common). It would pay for maintenance and wx delays

4:1 trip rig would pay 18 hrs for 72 tafb

PSA management doesn’t control the flying it gets to do… Therefore trip and duty rigs and a good min day are viewed by management as potential “punishment” for things they have no real control over.

That being said I personally think a 4.25 min day with no carve outs would solve a lot of problems.