Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3205192)
what?
Standard 2:1 duty rig would pay 6 hrs (rare) for a 12 hr day (common). It would pay for maintenance and wx delays 4:1 trip rig would pay 18 hrs for 72 tafb But with duty rigs, those long 12 hour duty days where you only operate 2 flights with 4 hours sitting at airports would pay 6 hours instead of the current 3.5. At least you’d be paid to sit around on fake hot reserve. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3205273)
trip and duty rigs and a good min day are viewed by management as potential “punishment” for things they have no real control over.
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3205327)
yes that is exactly the point. They have more control than the pilots
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Psa is assigned flights. They build the pairings, they build the lines, they manage delays. Management has real ability to impact all of those things, pilots have essentially zero. So yeah when a pairing has a 3 hr sit in CLT that extends to 5 with maintenance... the pilots should get 2.5 hrs for that.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3205273)
PSA management doesn’t control the flying it gets to do… Therefore trip and duty rigs and a good min day are viewed by management as potential “punishment” for things they have no real control over.
That being said I personally think a 4.25 min day with no carve outs would solve a lot of problems. Before some ALPA kool-aid drinker jumps on me yes I'm sure we'll keep something called "SAP" after agreeing to PBS, but it'll be a hollow reminder of the qol we once had and nothing more. We either get a major min day and rig win with the PBS vote, or PSA will be known as the pilot group who traded the best quality of life item in the regionals (arguably the industry as a whole) for nothing but hopeful words from the union, and bs from the company. |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3205422)
Psa is assigned flights. They build the pairings, they build the lines, they manage delays. Management has real ability to impact all of those things, pilots have essentially zero. So yeah when a pairing has a 3 hr sit in CLT that extends to 5 with maintenance... the pilots should get 2.5 hrs for that.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3205472)
Right... I wonder if our negotiating committee and MEC have thought of that? Better send them an email...
the bennies from PBS |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3205489)
oh hush. You said rigs weren’t fair to mgmt and I called BS. There’s lots of ways to skin this cat but the company doesn’t get to keep all
the bennies from PBS |
Originally Posted by captande
(Post 3205559)
Did you listen to the all call? Lots of good information in there, I’d suggest giving it a listen.
However, one thing did stick out to me that bothered me and I know it bothers me because I have absolutely no trust in management to “do the right thing”. The timeline we were given said that we would do shadow bidding for a few months. Then we’d go full on to PBS for a few months. THEN we would have the pilot vote. My concern is that at that point even if we vote NO that at that point management will say that the line bidding isn’t available anymore and the crap sandwich we were handed is here to stay. |
Originally Posted by Apejackson
(Post 3205575)
I was on the call and I’d agree that some very good info came out. Like the fact that industry standard is for the pilot group to get a percentage of the savings from the switch.
However, one thing did stick out to me that bothered me and I know it bothers me because I have absolutely no trust in management to “do the right thing”. The timeline we were given said that we would do shadow bidding for a few months. Then we’d go full on to PBS for a few months. THEN we would have the pilot vote. My concern is that at that point even if we vote NO that at that point management will say that the line bidding isn’t available anymore and the crap sandwich we were handed is here to stay. edit: I get where you’re coming from and I agree. Trust has been broken, and they shouldn’t be trusted. |
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