TheRubberDucky

The seniority list is very laggy but - my class lost 6/34 to washout this year. So roughly 18%. I would estimate the overall number to be between 15-20% washout and around 50% needing XFT or failing KV/MV/LOE.

AkPilot99

This. I had a buddy wash out and go to another regional and they knew and understood exactly what his situation was like here.

saltbae

I know of a pilot here that was not offered a job after her interview and then for whatever reason she was offered an interview a week later and passed it.. when typically you have to wait 6 months to interview again after not being offered a job. Not sure if she passed training or not.

Checking boxes is more important than quality I guess.

Ecotone

For what it's worth, I'll just share my personal experience. I was in one of the summer classes. My sim partner and I did exactly what we were told to do throughout the process, we studied together and with a small group of people back from class at the hotel. We studied hard, but took breaks on the weekends as needed. We did our best to come in prepared for each lesson, and had questions ready for our instructors. At no point did we really feel unprepared. When we did feel like there were gaps or inconsistencies, we asked questions and made sure we understood what was expected of us. We were able to make it through with no XFT and no failures. I know of at least a few other groups who also managed to get through with no issues.

If you take the process seriously and ask for help when needed, I really see no reason why you shouldn't be successful.

I know first hand of 4 people who washed out in my class. All of which sadly seem completely legitimate. One of them was part of our study group, but unfortunately really struggled throughout the process to grasp even the most simple concepts of the 1-2-3 rule, takeoff mins, marginal, 17347 rule, etc. Let alone systems and limitations. We all tried to help him out, but he sometimes wouldn't show up to our study sessions. Another one was in our mock KV group and unfortunately was unable to answer almost any question... He was given extra training and still failed the mock KV. He was also one that didn't have a study group. Without fail, studying alone is a recipe for failure. Do yourself a favor and find yourself a good/small group of people to work with.

Everybody I know who worked hard and felt confident made it through the process. Many received XFTs but that is a non-issue. I haven't heard of anyone failing their MVs, and a few did fail LOE, but passed on the second attempt.

Throwitaway

PSAs perceived failure rate is a function of every airline scraping the bottom of the barrel. The average quality in the pilot pool today is considerably lower than say 5-10 years ago. The majority of candidates coming through have little to no valuable experience. Coming straight from a 172 at min time to hire, burning holes in the practice area and local traffic pattern was not an ideal candidate 5 years ago. Now that's basically all there is left. Largely absent are the candidates who have experience doing cross country (as in across the entire country, not DAB to AVL), corporate, military, cargo etc. It's no wonder why some can't keep up with 121 ops and grasp the concepts, it's their first time seeing them.

We're in historically desperate hiring environments but the minimum standards should not be lowered to meet the aptitude of those who struggle. Put the time in, study what they tell you to, meet in small/focused groups and don't take the job for granted. They aren't going to lower the standards and give you the course completion simply because you think they need you. Don't let the recent failure rate forum hysteria sway your decision of where you want to work.

And besides, if you wash out, there's always Mesa...

mike sierra

numbers from my class.

also, we all know the seniority list on this company doesn’t mean anything…including the fact they will bypass you for a DEC

Clipper88

Then please explain why horizon only had 3 washouts in all of 2021? Supposedly they weren’t actual washouts they were pilots who gave up and quit. Anyone who struggles in their training program is either pushed back a class or given additional training. Their exams are standardized unlike PSAs.

PSA needs to invest in their training department and train their candidates to proficiency if they want to survive.

DoNoHarm

Thats a great reason to never fly on Horizon.

This isn't a career for everyone, and some people need to be washed out. Letting them through now even though they shouldn't be in the cockpit is just taking away layer after layer of the Swiss cheese.

Remember the guy that crashed the 767 in Houston? He is a perfect example of why some people need to be washed out of any training program.

PSA is an entry level airline. The pass rate should NEVER be 100%. The job of regionals is to spend time and spoon feed those that need a little extra help, and to wash out the ones that do not belong in the cockpit to begin with.

ZeroTT

i think that misunderstands regional survival in 2022. (Increasingly, I’m of the opinion that none of them will survive and that a slow, low-cost death is the current plan… but that’s an aside)

PSA, and every regional, is struggling to keep its head above water as the majors hire away all their experienced staff. Hiring FO’s isn’t the choke point. Sim and instructor availability is… it’s possible that hire ‘em/fire ‘em is managerially rational.

FlyyGuyy

The wash out rate at psa and the quality of candidate has gone up and down with industry hiring since I was hired in 2014. It'll continue forever. I remember after upgrade everyone was pretty good, but then we got desperate and the quality went in the tank. Then pay was raised and the quality got better .... That's how it goes. For reference, in 2014 when I was hired we had 24 in the class and 7 didn't make it through. Several were comair veterans. Attitude is everything.